John Ozimek (now Jane Fae) on women, feminists and victims of pornographers

[TurfClub]

From the Skin Two Fetish yearbook, 2009 (Skin Two Issue 60), by John Ozimek, edited in 2012 by 'Jane Fae' (sorry I don't have the original John version) www.somethingdark.eu/downloads/Jane-Fae_Tyrannys-genesis-and-its-opposition_SDk-Latest-News_USL.pdf

'One of Labour’s first actions on coming to power was to put in place a group (of women) at the Home Office whose task it would be to steer a review of the law in respect of sexual activity.'

'Government would recoil in horror at a proposal to place men in charge of a review of the law on rape; yet, over and over, those at the heart of developing change in the field of sexual law have been female, feminist or exceedingly Christian. '

'It was David Blunkett, Home Secretary 2001–04 and a very committed Christian, who observed how wonderful it was to be surrounded by so many of like persuasion amongst his coven of Home Office special advisers.'

' SORT was widely considered to be an offshoot of radical feminism, with very little interest in views that clashed with their beliefs. The emphasis shifted very quickly from the rights of the individual to a focus on the perceived (female) “victim”. '

SORT focused 'the “consent” debate on the issue of when an individual might be said to have withdrawn consent.'

'they brought on board an academic team (three feminists, naturally) who carried out a wholly skewed rapid evidence assessment (REA) and concluded that yes, maybe extreme porn did cause harm.'


Sooooo:

• scare quotes around 'victim' (of sexual abuse)
  
• compares putting men (those who rape) in charge of rape law with putting women (those who get raped to make porn) in charge of porn law
  
• alludes to Blunkett's female advisers as witches
  
• sneering contempt for feminists
  
  Note that since this was published in 2009, John Ozimek became Jane Fae, adviser of Girl Guides on safeguarding, and now identifies and is identified as a feminist (www.theguardian.com/profile/jane-fae). Which is strange considering previous contempt for feminism. Anyone would think it was all a strategy to undermine feminism. But no THAT NEVER HAPPENS.

[HorseRadishFemish]

Good thread this.

[ShootsFruitAndLeaves]

Bumping to cross-reference thread on latest of Janet & John's misogyny

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3869907-Jane-Fae-The-coronavirus-death-rate-for-men-is-high-possibly-because-women-are-not-pulling-their-weight-in-the-crisis

[vivariumvivariumsvivaria]

Now, now, "Acceptance without exception", ladies.

In plain sight.

[WomanDaresTo]

(charitably I'm assuming Jane didn't read the piece - given it discusses the killing of a number of women and girls and the non-consensual strangulation of women in sex - before deciding it's just the "hands-in-air brigade")

[WomanDaresTo]

Here's Jane Fae on twitter, responding to this Guardian article on the rise of choking in sex. www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jul/25/fatal-hateful-rise-of-choking-during-sex

sounds like Jane thinks viewing images of choking in porn promotes it, and would have an impact if widely available. Before remembering porn is harmless, of course. Must be just bad men again.

Some facts - images of suffocation/strangulation of women are widely available on mainstream sites, and people are choking their female partners in sex because this is expected, "just how people have sex now".

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1154705125820252160

jane francesca fae #facciamorete #StoConFR
@JaneFae
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Jul 26
You also need to factor in the pernicious effect of the extreme porn law, passed a decade or so back specifically as means to stop this practice getting promoted online...and is one reason I do not wholly believe the article you cite..

Bottom line...the bdsm community undetstood very well the dangers of passing on such imagery (legally speaking) and so mostly stopped.

In the process a number of sites which preached a safety first line around this practice shut down.

So sites that were safety oriented closed.

At the same time I am highly sceptical of claims that imagery found it's way into mainstream porn...because the defining feature of mainstream sites has been NOT to include material that could get them prosecuted.

At the same time, police have prosecuted thousands of people under the extreme porn law and a vanishingly small percentage has been for this type of image.

Conclusion? It's not quite the thing that the hands-in-air brigade are claiming. However...

...People are doing it...sometimes as misguided element of actual sex game but, I suspect, mostly they are lying.

After all...it's hard to come up with an excuse for this sort of behaviour otherwise. So-o...some bdsm...but mostly violent untruthful men.

[OldCrone]

Yesterday Fae was on C5 not the BBC, and not as an expert, just a chat show with a couple of other people talking about a few random topics that are in the news.

I posted the tweet on another thread before checking what the programme was.

[Wurzelsnewhead]

So why does this person called Jane get so much work?
Is is because the BBC are so deeply entrenched with pushing the queer theory agenda that they don’t give a monkeys who they are using to promote it? Mtf transsexual who is vocal in their defence of extreme pormography, being hailed as a feminist, we’ll use taxpayers money to hail you as an ‘expert’ in anything whenever we can. Meanwhile we’ll use our charity funding programme up withdraw support from women only refuges. Tossers.
The BBC also used a (Saville) to host children’s programmes in the 70s . So disappointing to see how they continue with their slavish devotion to openly support those with abhorrent views. The TV licence needs to be scrapped and the BBC with it.

[NotTerfNorCis]

I've always wanted a GC woman to go along to an interview with JF and passive aggressively spot weld throughout.

[SophoclesTheFox]

yodelling expert

spot welding



Not grin at Jane though. Not a fan of defenders of the degradation of women, and I’m not sure if I find Jane’s written or spoken style more off putting. Close call. Jane does seem to be getting a lot of work though, pops up in the oddest places.

[GirlDownUnder]

Will await Fae's arrival on TV and radio as farming expert, fracking expert, yodelling expert and more in the future.

I’m wondering what will happen when Fae ids as a world recognised cycling and sports and science and philosophy expert. One that Navratilova should recognise.

Thanks for the link - never gets old.

[AnotherAdultHumanFemale]

This person always made me feel uncomfortable when I saw them on tv, now it makes a lot of sense. Notice how they use their physical presence, arms and hands quite aggressively in the video with Julie Bindel who is much more respectful of boundaries and personal space.

[AngryFeminist]

So I just read that original doc and it underlined something that has been increasingly giving me the creeps, ie claiming bdsm as a 'sexuality' on a par with lgb/straight. Ditto the fetish/adult baby 'communities'.

This isn't about who you love, it's about fantasies that any psychotherapist worth their salt will tell you are born of trauma, and the bdsm 'community' is widely known to be open to abuse. It's an insult to put them in the same bracket.

[pombear]

Ooh, saw this trending this morning too.

Climate change/extreme porn expert/womanning expert

Will await Fae's arrival on TV and radio as farming expert, fracking expert, yodelling expert and more in the future.

WTF BBC - have you run out of commentators?

I'm sure there's lots of us on here who would volunteer. Unfortunately, many of us don't have a back catalogue of 'extreme-porn-campaigner' on our CVs. Does that exclude us from your pool of experts?

I know this was only posted a couple of posts down, but deserves every outing it gets (love you Magdalen!)
m.youtube.com/watch?v=pnaDUwYqEw8

[haXXor]

I know pornhub stats say that female viewers are driving the demand for extreme violence towards women in porn

I can, and often have, pretended to be a man on the internet. After a work-related help request to a mailing list about a piece of software resulted in sexist replies sent to my work email account, I find it helpful to hide or even outright lie about my sex.

Given that I can and do pretend to be male, how do Pornhub know what sex their viewers are? If it's self-declared, it's meaningless, we already know this. I suspect know for sure that most of Pornhub's "women" users are men whacking off whilst wearing their wives' knickers and fetishing the abuse of actual women and girls.

[WrathoSWhittIeKIop]

Twas 'specially important to see today.

[NeurotrashWarrior]

passive aggressively spot weld throughout.



Thanks for the bump of this, adding to my list o important Fred's.

[WrathoSWhittIeKIop]

As tall as Jeremy but sat on a low chair.

[WrathoSWhittIeKIop]

Well spotted Michelleoftheresistance

[Michelleoftheresistance]

I've always wanted a GC woman to go along to an interview with JF and passive aggressively spot weld throughout.

[Birdsfoottrefoil]

Jane Fae’s Knitting always puts me in mind of Madame Defarge, the antogonist in the Tale of Two Cities, who likes to knit the names of people she intends to send to the guillotine. Knitting as an aggressive act.

[BettyDuMonde]

Is this one on the thread? ‘My Dad is a Woman’ (aka Jane Fae getting ‘The op’ on the telly? )

The other person that the show follows, Michelle, is much more likeable. Stark comparison. Really underlines that it’s not so much the trans part that is problematic, it’s the creepy sexual proclivities/violent rapey porn apologist, whilst claiming to be a feminist part...

m.youtube.com/watch?v=G9ly2QLraIg

[R0wantrees]

This was on my laptop recently but with the sound muted.
Its interesting to watch Fae's body language and response to other people speaking.

'From Liberation to Censorship: Feminism and Free Speech - Julie Bindel, Milo Yiannopoulos, Jane Fae'

Manchester Free Speech Association
Published on 19 Dec 2015

[Katvonfelttipeyebrows]

Oh betty
I NEED THE TISSUES. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[R0wantrees]

Dr Jane Monckton Smith
(Forensic Criminologist specialising in homicide, Coercive Control and stalking. )

"In coercive control, the controlling person will keep diverting the actual argument to push the victim to keep defending themselves against spurious accusations. That way the victim cannot put their side, and seems to onlookers to be guilty of something. It’s a strategy."

[BettyDuMonde]

Julie Bindell laughing at Fae is a moment worth revisiting:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=pnaDUwYqEw8