John Ozimek (now Jane Fae) on women, feminists and victims of pornographers

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From the Skin Two Fetish yearbook, 2009 (Skin Two Issue 60), by John Ozimek, edited in 2012 by 'Jane Fae' (sorry I don't have the original John version) www.somethingdark.eu/downloads/Jane-Fae_Tyrannys-genesis-and-its-opposition_SDk-Latest-News_USL.pdf

'One of Labour’s first actions on coming to power was to put in place a group (of women) at the Home Office whose task it would be to steer a review of the law in respect of sexual activity.'

'Government would recoil in horror at a proposal to place men in charge of a review of the law on rape; yet, over and over, those at the heart of developing change in the field of sexual law have been female, feminist or exceedingly Christian. '

'It was David Blunkett, Home Secretary 2001–04 and a very committed Christian, who observed how wonderful it was to be surrounded by so many of like persuasion amongst his coven of Home Office special advisers.'

' SORT was widely considered to be an offshoot of radical feminism, with very little interest in views that clashed with their beliefs. The emphasis shifted very quickly from the rights of the individual to a focus on the perceived (female) “victim”. '

SORT focused 'the “consent” debate on the issue of when an individual might be said to have withdrawn consent.'

'they brought on board an academic team (three feminists, naturally) who carried out a wholly skewed rapid evidence assessment (REA) and concluded that yes, maybe extreme porn did cause harm.'

Sooooo:

• scare quotes around 'victim' (of sexual abuse)
• compares putting men (those who rape) in charge of rape law with putting women (those who get raped to make porn) in charge of porn law
• alludes to Blunkett's female advisers as witches
• sneering contempt for feminists

Note that since this was published in 2009, John Ozimek became Jane Fae, adviser of Girl Guides on safeguarding, and now identifies and is identified as a feminist (www.theguardian.com/profile/jane-fae). Which is strange considering previous contempt for feminism. Anyone would think it was all a strategy to undermine feminism. But no THAT NEVER HAPPENS.

Jane Faye was early in her transition from male to female when she was accosted before entering the women's changing area. It was a Saturday morning, and she was getting ready to step into the pool with her then 5-year-old son. A man appeared out of nowhere and threatened her.

“This man just hogged the way. And said, 'You're not going in there.' And I said, "Why not?" And he just said, 'Well, I'm going to hit you if you do,'” said Faye, who lives north of London.

Totally agree NewWomensMovement boundary pushing and was called on it by another male.

So actually this was not a random act of unprovoked 'transphobia' so much as a man trying to stop another man going into the women's changing room because we all know that isn't OK.

The threat of violence was wrong, but the instinct wasn't. But what a way to stop men standing up for women and children.

The porny/ weird vibe is strong in Jane Fae.

The porny/ weird vibe is strong in Jane Fae.

And involving your five year old son in it is twisted. Imagine how terrifying and confusing that must have been to see your dad called out and threatened for acting in deviant ways. What is Fae teaching the boy about respecting women and girls' boundaries?

Also the 'early in my transition' bit.

I would have thought the proverbial 'just want to keep our heads down, have somewhere to pee and quietly get on with our lives, no true transsexuals' everyone want to claim to be, would leave the Hampstead Ladies Pond until very late in 'transition' or not go at all, not make a bloody bee-line for it with a 5 year old child for a human shield.

I feel so sorry for Fae's kids.

’And I think [among] the various lessons I learned very early on in transition is that men were dangerous’

Personally I would have qualified that to ‘some men are dangerous’ but otherwise Jane, this is exactly why we don’t want male born people in women’s spaces, thank you for your understanding on this matter.

but telling the truth itself is not a crime. Not in our society at any rate.

Not yet.

Why did a person "early in transition" ie looks like a bloke, and with a male child, decide that the women's pond was the one for them?

There is a MIXED pond which would have been a better, and safer all round choice, whichever way you choose to look at it.

"So, when Faye first heard about the Hampstead Heath Ladies' Pond, a women-only swimming pond in the middle of London, she assumed it was a safe space for all women, including transgender women like herself."

WHY? WHY did this person who is male, but had decided to transition, but was still early days ie looks like a male has male bits and bobs, with a male child, decide that the female only place was somehow obviously the place for them?

Like fucking whathisface who at the time said he was a transvestite, going and gettign changed in teh women's toilets (why???) and then being susprised when some teen girls weren't impressed when he came out of the cubicle.

Whatsisface. Izzard.

Said he yelled at them and they ran away (he's a big bloke isn't he? - they were 14 or something) and in the article he claims to have been sacred of them? What's that thing about men being scared women will laugh, women beign scared men will kill them?

We are supposed to have sympathy with this poor great big bloke who decided to use teh women's toilets and had some teen girls start on him (good for them).

Women adn girls are NOT supposed to defend our boundaries really, are we. We are supposed to pretend that the person in teh women's pond, in the women's bog,is nto a fucking great big bloke.

Fuck that and what a thing to teach our daughters.

"’And I think [among] the various lessons I learned very early on in transition is that men were dangerous’

Personally I would have qualified that to ‘some men are dangerous’ but otherwise Jane, this is exactly why we don’t want male born people in women’s spaces, thank you for your understanding on this matter."

Yes indeed,

And how old were they when they transitioned?

Cunty girls tend to learn this lesson in real life, from experience, starting about age 12, if not younger.

And I think [among] the various lessons I learned very early on in transition is that men were dangerous

Ahem. And the decision is then to actively erode women's boundaries and petitioning for all men to gain access to women's spaces by calling themselves women?

The level of some trans activists being completely UNABLE to see beyond their own immediate needs and actually think about the impacts on females is........ I would say gobsmacking, but sadly feels almost expected. It seems to fit a pattern of narcissism that in analysis of the sexes could be called male entitlement.

And I think [among] the various lessons I learned very early on in transition is that men were dangerous

I learnt that too Jane.

Especially men who do things like advocate for extreme porn.

Women need to stay well away from those sick, stunted, greasy, revolting, pathetic bastards.

Actually, if Fae wants to call out other men for trying to do the right thing (prevent their fellow males from invading women's spaces) I'd encourage him to do so loudly and publicly. It will help the current peak transing of the public along nicely, and we could do with more men onside.

When the ‘dangerous’ men are the ones trying to help women protect themselves, whereas the men who write fantasies about women being raped, mutilated and murdered, are to be defended, this is Men’s Rights Activism.

Kathleen Stock's WPUK speech at House of Lords, identifies the many serious flaws with policy and legislation so dependent on lobbyists and some of those with lived experiences:
(extract)

"a) Were all affected groups represented, in the choice of witnesses to the Trans Inquiry?

In a word, no.

20 people were called as witnesses to the Inquiry, excluding MPs. 11 of these represented trans advocacy/ lobbying groups. 9 of these were more obviously ‘neutral’. No special advocates for other groups were called as witnesses. For instance:

· female-only groups and services,

· post-operative transsexuals against self-ID, and

· concerned parents of transitioning children

were not properly represented.

In the use of written submissions, there’s also a preponderance of trans advocates listened to, and the ignoring of other groups. To take just one example, 8 points made by transwoman Jane Fae appear in the Final Report. But written submissions such as those of transwoman Miranda Yardley, who is against self-ID; or the well-known academic Professor Sheila Jeffreys, don’t appear anywhere in the Final Report." (continues)

link to thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3391330-Prof-Kathleen-Stock-WPUK-speech-at-House-of-Lords-Important-disection-of-the-key-issues-for-MPs-policy-makers-etc-with-ref-to-The-Trans-Equality-Report

Why did Jane Fae's comments take such a prominant place in the report? Jane Fae has described herself as an independent journalist (at TELI UK first conference)

Jane Fae with Aimee Challenor, Adrian Harrop & Christine Burns (Press for Change) joking about women not wanting to be called called fish:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3395300-Jane-Face-Aimee-Challenor-and-Dr-Harrop-joking-about-women-smelling-of-fish

Coven? Creed?

What's next? "Burn the witches!"

BBC Big Questions program, 'Is Feminism in Crisis' featured Jane Fae.
discussed on thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3497913-The-Big-Questions-on-now-is-feminism-in-crisis?pg=3

Includes response by BernardBlacksWineIcelolly to BBC:
"Complaint submitted (edited slightly to comply with MN modding rules)

Hello

I was somewhat surprised to see Jane Fae on The Big Questions billed as a feminist writer. Women are still under represented on television, so giving a male a platform to talk about feminism seemed at best a strange choice.

Jane Fae has been linked to the Consenting Adult Action Network, which advocates for extreme pornography (that is pornography that depicts an act which results in or is likely to result in serious injury to a person's anus, breast or genitals). Hardly a feminist view point.

Here's Jane advocating for the right of a Newcastle civil servant to publish a story depicting the members of Girls Aloud being mutilated and murdered: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/jul/01/obscenity-law-darryn-walker

Ironically for such a proponent of free speech, Jane is very much in favour of the no platforming of holders of rather more standard feminist views such as Germaine Greer and Julie Bindel. It would have been interesting at least if you had asked Jane why they advocates for extreme pornography and the no platforming of women while calling themself a feminist.

I consider Jane Fae to be a highly inappropriate choice for this slot. Please can you explain to me the reasoning behind this decision?

Regards
Bernard"

Yeps all this with bells on

Hiding in clear view

'The OP may be breaking the law'

The law does not demand women ignore how the reality of what someone says fits with who they are and what they do. The law isnt there to protect how we see ourselves.

Independent article by Jane Fae
'The far right’s appeal to women is getting stronger, and their tactics are working
Fascist groups all over Europe are making hay with a narrative that is insular, tribal, yet reassuring, with key messages like ‘fear of the other’ and using violence against women as a propaganda tool'

concludes:
As for unsavoury links: the authorities dropped the ball when it came to grooming in Rotherham.

Others intervened, piggy-backing off the language of human rights. Friends to Justice for Women include Ukip’s Gerard Batten and Tommy Robinson, Ukip’s “grooming adviser”.

They are making hay with a narrative that is insular, tribal, yet reassuring. Key messages are “fear of the other” and “stranger danger”. Yet they are happy to promote “strong women”: one poster girl for the Italian right is a councillor who gifted pepper spray to her fellow (Lega) women – because of violence against women.

Add “concern”. One UK feminist splinter has made it their mission to warn of the trans menace. On the BBC just a fortnight ago, a leading member of this group explained how the biggest threat facing women today was “the transgender ideology”.

So I’m biased. Not entirely convinced that upholding the rights of around 10-15,000 trans women in the UK (their focus) will bring on the gender apocalypse: whereas a toxic mix of cuts, austerity and unsympathetic government just might.

A recent schism within this group shows how wrong this can go. They recruited “Mumsnetters”, scarcely radical feminists. Surprise! Many of these were happy to sup with the far-right Heritage Foundation. Cue rapid backpedalling by people relying on the old maxim: “my enemy’s enemy is my friend”.

But then across a swathe of issues, from trans rights, to sex work to surrogacy, many of these already align closely to the right. So perhaps more apt: “Lie with dogs: get fleas!”

Feminism is not fascist, but the far right is getting smarter at speaking to the concerns of women. They will not be defeated in the ivory towers of academia or within the commentariat.

To beat the fascists, we must learn from women in Poland and Italy and elsewhere on the continent: get out into the street. March! Demonstrate! But also involve yourself with local projects: connect outside the media bubble.

To their credit, there are UK feminists devoting significant energy to this work. But more are needed."
www.independent.co.uk/voices/far-right-feminism-womens-rights-racism-mumsnet-ukip-tommy-robinson-a8793451.html

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3518111-mumsnetdescribed-as-a-recruiting-ground-for-the-far-right-appealing-to-women

The knitting and the neck scarves and "I'm a feminist" are all smoke and mirrors to deflect attention from the wolf.

Hiding in plain sight.

recent article by Jane Fae in Independent

'Pregnancy for trans women is around the corner – as an older trans woman, I couldn’t be happier
When it happens I shall celebrate and mourn in equal measure, regretful over the might-have-been, but elated for the lucky few who’ll get to experience giving birth'
(extract)
"Like so much else about being trans, this feels like one more mystery where the surface has barely been scratched, despite the self-important certainty of “experts” in the field. I have children. I have never given birth to a child. Strictly, logically, it should make no difference. But it does.

At times, the thought alone was enough to reduce me to howling incoherence in a way that most things don’t. Never queen of the prom? Pfft! Who cares? Never dated Hugh Jackman? A tragedy! For him, of course. But never a mother? It is difficult even to type that and ... fourth wall break ... this is the point where I stop writing in order to stand up, make a cup of tea and – yes – grab a tissue.

In more detached moments, I theorise. Perhaps it was always there, sublimated within the greater whole of my transness. Other times, I wonder if it links to the hormones that now permeate my body. My oestrogen levels regularly nudge those of the average pregnant person: perhaps I am triggering some epigenetic mechanism not unlike whatever mechanism it is that suddenly, mid-career, drives certain folk to trade everything for having a child." (continues)

The more cynical guess is that the procedure will be too complex, too expensive to be ever available on the NHS. So optimism is tinged with jealousy towards those select affluent few who will be able to access it.

Because, it is coming. The first uterus transplants for non-trans women have happened. Across the world, the technique is being honed, becoming more successful. Experts are clear: at some point in the next decade or so a trans woman will receive a uterus. And not long after that a trans woman will become pregnant.

It is, after all, as one surgeon has declared, a human right.

Tissues again! The longing for what cannot be is near overwhelming.

Meanwhile, in the Mumsnet forums, I see the transphobes declaring, already, that they would rather no part of their body ever be available for transplant that a trans woman might benefit from. This is futile. Tissue typing and social factors make it most likely that the first donors will be the mothers of trans women." (continues)
www.independent.co.uk/voices/trans-pregnancy-transgender-womb-transplant-women-uterus-transphobia-motherhood-a8784536.html

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3503170-Womb-transplants-for-trans-women-are-a-human-right-says-surgeon

I shouldn't let people like this make my blood boil, but I can't help it. This ridiculous person HAD CHILDREN. Guess what arsehole, the growing them in your body bit is absolutely shit for many of us. Most miserable, horrible, vulnerable time of my life.

Concentrate on your own biological children, and stop obsessing about your self. Narcissist.

Sniffs
Dabs my eyes in a womanly way

I din't think Fae mentioned eyes, just need for tissues?

That thought crossed my mind