Man in Dress listed as Top 100 FEMALE Executives

[CharlieWork]

Aaaaaaaarrrggghhhh.

Looks like his maleness was has worked for him and he gets to be recognised as a top female too.

Just why?

CS cannot do much since it would be discriminatory if they do

How so? Especially not if they reprimanded him on a Phillip day. However, I don't think they can do anything because they seem to have been complicit in his gender fluidity overstepping reasonable bounds and trampling women's rights. It would have been great if they'd let him wear his frocks, even have a dual identity card and alternative names but not allowing him to do anything like use women's loos or accept specifically female awards.

It's the pink lacy dress and black fishnets I can't get my head around. How many senior female execs would wear clothes like that in work? Would they have climbed the ladder if they did, or would 'things have been said' to them about inappropriate work wear?

Risible clothes to wear in a business setting.

It would have been great if they'd let him wear his frocks, even have a dual identity card and alternative names but not allowing him to do anything like use women's loos or accept specifically female awards.

Indeed. I can't believe that businesses and such do not do this for people like him. Why on earth would they need to use the womens loos and such on days they decide to wear a dress? Its just nonsense.

What has a business, and employer, to do with being complicit with supporting all this gender fluidity bollocks?

Do they have behavioural and dress standards that employees are expected to meet? If so, does Phillip Bunce meet those standards? If he does, then fine, he can wear whatever he likes.

He can ask his colleagues to call him whatever he likes. But that doesn't change his identity and he shouldn't have a second identity on frock-days. His gender-games are nothing to do with his employment, and CS should not be pandering to him in this way.

Had they not been so willing to validate his personal fetish, he might not be taking women's awards now.

About a year ago I stopped taking my son into the female toilets with me when out and about, as I felt he was too old to be in a women's only space.

I wonder how Pip would feel if I now took him in when his daughters were there ? Perhaps buying sanitary products from the machine, changing their top, doing their make up. But he'd be cool with it, because I'd say today is the day he identifies as female.

Actually he probably would be cool with it. Because as a man he's happy to invade women's spaces, to continue to indulge his fetish. I doubt he gives a shiny shit about his wife and daughter's feelings anyway. If he did he wouldn't be humiliating them by cross dressing occasionally at work.

No doubt his wife had "the talk" with the girls, reminding them that the skiing holidays and private school fees all come via dad, so they need to be seen to support him. I bet in private they die a thousand deaths each time they see a photo of him looking demure and pretending to be a woman.

Agree with the bonkers dual identity, especially when Bunce witters on about being Bunce's "authentic self". How can you have 2 authentic selves? Surely if the giggly girlie party frock one is authentic then the serious male one is inauthentic and just an act and half the time he's not being his authentic self at all. Why would his employers or family want to spend half their time with someone who admits they are putting on an act?

Exactly. It's all so logically, linguistically, biologically inconsistent.

I have a penis, I am a woman.
I have a vagina, I am a man.
I have given birth, I am the father.
I cannot lactate, I am chest/breast feeding.

Absolute madness.

I have a reindeer, I am Father Christmas.
I can drive fast, I am Lewis Hamilton.
I went to school, I am a teacher.

Are these statements any more ridiculous? It's all self ID.

The 'logic' is more like,
I have a reindeer, I am the tooth fairy.

Coming to this late because I've been ruminating and I'm sure I'm not wrong in thinking that this guy isn't cross dresser or transvestite. He does not have body dysmorphia as if he did he would find it very distressing to have a picture of him as a man published as he would ultimately believe he was a woman. So we have a transvestite on an all female top 100 list.
Can one of us put on a trouser suit and get on the man's list? No, we can't.

I'm fucking furious again - it's this sort of thing that ruins it for the small portion of the population who have genuine dysmorphia.

Also, was he on a panel advising on something trans today shown on another thread?

OhHoly

Yes. He iswhat would have formerly been known a sa transvestite, or cross dresser

The problem is, that male-advocating advocates such as Stonewall are saying that men like him come under the Trans Umbrella. Eddie Izzard now says he's transgender. These are the people who don't want trans to be seen as a psychological problem (gender dysphoria). They want to demedicalise it. And most importantly they want the right to gain the rights of women, by self identifying

He is on all sorts of panels

And yes, once you realise this, it's rather hard not to be furious. Tell all your friends - make them furious too...

And don't be fooled into thinking he's a one off because he only dresses up part time. Some similar do dress up all the time. But they are still heterosexual males; still crossdressers, still re-inforcing gender , still reinforcing gender stereotypes, still have a penis, still telling women what we are.

I'm pretty interested in this concept of men transitioning later in life (and their careers) and then winning awards for women in Finance.

For e.g., here's Debbie Cannon winning Insurance Leader of the Year at the 2017 Women in Finance awards.
www.growthbusiness.co.uk/women-finance-awards-2017-winners-announced-2551302/

Debbie talks about her transition here m.lv.com/about-us/press/article/debbie-cannon

Similarly, one of the other trans people on the ft list talk about transitioning later in life after a career offshore
www.lgbtinsurancenetwork.co.uk/sj-nelson/

I had my very own oil platform to manage with a crew of over 130 people – 99 percent male. Well! If I was going to play a part, I was going to play it well……and yet my true self never disappeared.

By the time I was 35, having attained the position I desired in my profession, my thoughts turned more and more introspective. [transition follows]

Given so many women drop out of finance careers as, well, they're a shitshow for women, what incentive do these awards give to stick around?

I really hope CS also publicly congratulated their "real" female executive who was in the top 20 of these awards.

They did. And got 6 replies - one or two well dones and a couple of slow handclaps re the PB debacle. The PB tweet has nearly 700 replies - every one pretty excoriating.

Oh to be a fly on the wall at CS tomorrow.

They will be shitting themselves. And it's their own doing.

I'm even more pissed off that CS are now going to have to deal with this shitshow, because this is all going to be blamed on the diversity team. I mean, I know it probably does lie with them that Phil's been allowed to get away with this for so long, but when the diversity team get demoted and have to spend all their time justifying Phil, then it means that they're not doing anything about actual diversity at CS.

And that means that women are getting the shitty end of the stick AGAIN.

The diversity team will be a self appointed gaggle of employees with an axe to grind. They will want and want but take responsibility.

Ouch, fekko!

I work closely with our diversity team

Apologies! Unless....🤔

This is whey the current gender laws are right - 2 years of therapty, drugs, surgery, move over to the other gender, the whole thing, born within the wrong body - most of us can understand that; compared with cross dressers etc who in English law currently don't change genders and have always been around (plenty of them changing into their wife's clothes when she wasn't home in secret and nowadays having clubs and places they can go for that) who should not be treated as female in any sense.

I am not against women and men being allowed to wear suitable work clothes and plenty of women wear trouser suits to work these days, but if you have two genuine selves that may end up being a bit confusing for colleagues so probably best to pick one or the other for working hours.

People have all kinds of weird sexual interests but it tends to be best to keep them out of the office.

When I worked in one of these places, 10y ago now when all the Diversity Training was building up a head of steam, I always thought it was weird that if you were a heterosexual male or female, nobody needed to know anything about your sexual orientation outside work, or cared. In fact it was deemed very inappropriate to bring it up. Hell, the women had to hide the fact they had kids! Yet if you were gay or, later, trans, everyone seemed to need to know about it in great details, including sexual orientations, preferences, conquests etc. I guess it started from a good place, protecting people from discrimination (well, white gay men, or white jews, noone really cared about black or lesbian/straught women feeling discriminated). You have to now view this as powerful white men protecting their own I think.

I'm seeing so many ems footers with

Joe Bloggs
XYX manager
ABC Company

LCGTBFJITDSEHB¥#@@@!!!!! Diversity Team Chair Being
🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🦄💖💗💘💫🌈💜💜💜🎀🎀🎀

They will be shitting themselves. And it's their own doing.

This is slightly off the main point, but you have to wonder about the kind of PR advice organisations like CS are getting. Surely it's the responsibility of their press office/PR agency to point out to them just how ridiculous they're going to look? Ditto the Guides - though what's happened with the Guide is even worse. Imagine trying to put a positive spin on sacking two longstanding, hard-working, much loved volunteers for raising safeguarding concerns. I wouldn't want to be in charge of their press office today.