Man in Dress listed as Top 100 FEMALE Executives

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Aaaaaaaarrrggghhhh.

Looks like his maleness was has worked for him and he gets to be recognised as a top female too.

Just why?

hope so stealth so long as they aren't sharing to say he got what he deserved though!

Rowan that video was sickening. Who buys this shit?

On the plus side this whole sham has peaked a few more people on my FB

It's ridiculous that the TRAs moaned about ManFriday as women just dressing up as men for the day and not being anything to do with gender dysphoria but many support Bunce. If I decided to dress and act as a man half the week and that my man personality was to be different from my usual one my male colleagues would accuse me of taking the piss and sexist stereotypes. Presume I'd go for deep voice, sexist comments, fart jokes, man spreading. Many of my male colleagues don't behave much differently to me, but if I didn't behave differently then what would be the point? I do see it as a sexist version of blacking up. It's a drag act.

I agree what was called multiple personality disorder is commoner in women and is rooted in child abuse. It is much less common than it was when Freud was round though and many psychiatrists now think it's because the extreme variants with loads of different personalities kept producing new ones to keep the therapist interested.
It is much healthier to have one personality that expresses all your opinions and emotions rather than separate masculine and feminine ones.

ChattyLion, Nicenewdusters I agree. It's just sickening really. As one gets older, going through life, how many professional people do we meet, pay, consult and have dealings with? Doctors, dentists, solicitors, financial advisors, car mechanics, teachers. They nearly all need to dress appropriately for the job. Can't see the car mechanic getting on too well, what with breaking fingernails and oil stains and laddered tights, how could a paramedic or armed policeman do the job dressed like that? Imagine meeting the head of the school you are thinking of sending your child too dressed like that or taking your child to a paediatrician to be greeted with a mincing parody person? Or the manager of the care Home you are considering for your confused elderly parent? Call me judgemental/stuck in the past/non inclusive I don't care. I wouldn't be using their services. It's just a bollocking pisstake and an insult not just to women but all other hardworking people who have to wear appropriate clothes for the job and are denied the opportunity to be their "authentic selves, expressing their identity yada yada yada blah blah". (with the possible exception of pantomime dames).

Ricky Gervais has shared this on Twitter with a “wtf?” kind of comment.

Almost every post underneath is GC. I saw two woke blokes shouting transphobia, both of whom have been quickly corrected.

Wow just read through hundreds and hundreds of twitter replies to this, noones buying it. Of the many comments I read, TWO were saying this was great. The rest saying its a fucking joke and offensive beyond belief. Like hell is it only a handful of 'terfs' that do not follow this religion.

It is much healthier to have one personality that expresses all your opinions and emotions rather than separate masculine and feminine ones.

I am not debating that 2rebecca, but an illness is an illness. You cannot just snap out of it. Minds can be severely broken and it isn't done for fun. People rarely get the educated and long term care that they need. That goes for all MH illnesses.

dusters yes I think someone male eg wearing ‘sexy’ fake standing out nipples under their already-inappropriate non-professional and massively ‘female’-stereotyped costume is being completely offensive in the workplace. Obviously to women in the office but also it is offensive to everyone else who adheres to a dress code or uniform as has been rightly said.

With the added sexual fetish undertone which is overly threatening to women in its power play and daring them to complain. While in many cases sharing their workplace toilets with those same women.

We all know that the culprit of that kind of stunt (in relation to any another social, religious, cultural group, age group, nationality, sexual orientation, social class etc that is not their own..) they wouldn’t even make it through the open plan office to get to their own desk if they showed up to work like that.

They’d get sent straight over to HR and get an immediate suspension for professional misconduct, if not sacked on the spot depending what they did.

What’s more you can bet that ALL of the colleagues in that workplace would rightly be fucking OUTRAGED at what this person was doing.

We’d all put in formal complaints to our managers and to HR about the person doing this and say we wouldn’t feel comfortable working on shifts or projects or wherever with them again because of their offensive views bringing the organisation into disrepute, misconduct and worrying lack of judgement making them a liability for us all with clients. Their career would be over with that office basically.

And notice the other difference that nobody would feel scared if they wanted to complain about what the culprit was doing. Whatever our background ourselves, we would all feel free to call it out and complain to HR straight away. None of us would expect to stand for that shit in the workplace.

But here because it’s only women... Bunce can call us sad TERFs for not congratulating him and he can do what he wants at work and get women’s awards and be on promotional videos for his company.

The chilling effect of this on professional women is horrendous. We shouldn’t have to stand for it. We should be able to complain. We shouldn’t even be put in this situation in the first place.

Thread has moved on and I can’t find the post now but fairly sure that R0wan posted Bunce arguing in a FT article that it was central to the identities of Peers or some shit that they and their spouses get to use their proper titles and that others must all then use them appropriately respectfully or that is hurtful.

Well that argument only gets you so far seeing as:

Men who get made a ‘Sir’ automatically get their wife made into a ‘Lady’. Men who are born with a title give their wife the corresponding female style of it on marriage.

BUT

Women who get the life peer title ‘Lady’ Or who are born a ‘Lady’ and who then have a spouse (I guess of either sex?) get NO HONORIFIC TITLE FOR THEIR SPOUSE.

(Don’t know what happens in the case of same sex spouses of female Peers- but we can probably guess seeing as civil partners of Peers get no honorific title either )

Yes you read that right

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtesy_titles_in_the_United_Kingdom
See under ‘Spouses of Peers’ and then ‘Husbands’.

Turns out the actual seriously powerful people don’t give a fuck about validating your ‘identity’ or essential feelings when you’re a woman - the sex-based discrimination affects women whether you are in an straight couple or same sex couple.
Whatever your gender presentation. You are still female and you still don’t count.

They DGAF about treating you and your spouse/partner with the same honours as the spouse/partner of men. Women are not worthy of that. Whatever their level of achievement that causes them to be made Life Peers in the first place. (Or by the accident of birth that gave them their inherited title but let’s not go there..)

So I can see that none of this bothers Bunce by the consistent only-benefiting-Males types of arguments he makes, with his Male Privilege blinkers attached at all times.

But it might piss his spouse off a bit that if Bunce accepted his Peerage as Pippa she would get nothing BUT if he accepted it as Phil, she’d get to be a Lady?

I accept this is unlikely to be a practical problem since it sounds like Bunce is not professionally distinguished in his field. But this illustrates the point of principle that Bunce completely misses in his self-advocacy.

Sex is real. Sex based discrimination is real. We all need to tackle that. And whether you publicly or privately wear a costume then you are not suddenly then turned into Batman.. Or Catwoman.. or a cuddly furry animal. Or a different sex.

This has really infuriated me. It is a total insult to women. Could you imagine a real woman using the words stylish, demure (shudder) and glamorous in their professional profile? They just would not be taken seriously.

Thread has moved on and I can’t find the post now but fairly sure that R0wan posted Bunce arguing in a FT article that it was central to the identities of Peers or some shit that they and their spouses get to use their proper titles and that others must all then use them appropriately respectfully or that is hurtful.

ChattyLion
The Financial Times article you mention is linked below.

Bunce also demonstrates a lack of awareness over the use of the use of the title Ms,

"In August, the honorific Mx was added to the Oxford English Dictionary. It is used by men and women who do not wish their title to convey their gender and is similar to Ms, which is used by women who find it unnecessary for their title to indicate marital status. The term’s inclusion is the latest example of an increasing awareness of gender identity."

Ms was/ is used by some women as a title with parity with Mr.

The male title Mr gives no indication of whether a man is married or not whereas women's titles Miss and Mrs denote whether a woman is married or not.

(it wasn't so long ago that in some situations married women by convention were referred to with the whole of their husband's name & the title Mrs eg Mrs John Smith)

www.ft.com/content/08f4b532-70c8-11e5-9b9e-690fdae72044

Credit Suisse is taking all the heat here. Their Tweet in this has 600 plus replies saying this is an insult
mobile.twitter.com/CreditSuisse/status/1042723980979908608

But the FT are getting none. This is one of those made up awards designed by random event houses but still, the FT put their name to it.

This makes me livid. I work for a multi £billion business with a female CEO who really does champion women in business. Incidentally our business is also currently one of the most successful in a fiercely competitive industry, she isn’t on the list - or was this just for ‘women’ in Finance?

right

I am amazed Credit Suisse haven't taken it down. Do they secretly hate him too?

Awards are a lovely way to make money.
Create award
Promote it on your newspaper/website
Folks put themselves up for said award - senior staff stamp their feet if they think they sniff a £40 lump of acrylic or £100 crystal gong
Names are picked out of hat carefully selected from companies that advertise heavily on your media
Host fancy dinner and charge £4k+ per table and get companies to sponsor the event elements (drinks, specific awards, receptions...)
Loads of press coverage for you, more advertising revenue and you make money from the awards dinner.

Everyone's a winner...🙄

I bet they do actually. He’s clearly a massive attention seeking problem. Plus he’s bound to be in the Ladies cos he feels like it that day. The women at CS must hate it. But he’s Teflon isn’t he .... it’s absolutely disgusting.

I keep getting waves of rage when it strikes me what women mean to men like this and organisations like this - fuck all.

I just keep thinking, why would any workplace want to have what amounts to a bring your fetish to work policy? And if so, why only certain fetishes? Are people who're into domination/submission allowed to bring their partner into work with them wearing a collar and leash, and have them sit at their feet all day? If not, then why is Bunce allowed to play out Bunce's fetish at the office during what are meant to be working hours?

If I did Twitter I'd ask CS to clarify if "bringing your whole self to work" also applies to adult babies, etc.

Oh and the marketing departments ring up the editors and nag the hell out of them to get nominations.

I am amazed Credit Suisse haven't taken it down. Do they secretly hate him too?

Maybe HR are trying to test the waters to see if they could get away with either firing Bunce or demanding that at the very least work appropriate clothes be worn.

(I've never heard of a finance firm that allows lacy pink dresses in the office.)

I suspect that he will come crashing down. I worked in the city for years and saw a lot of bad behaviour - usually when the bad boy (for women never got away with it) had mates high up covering his arse.

Once the mate leaves, the bad boy is left exposed and the new managers get rid of them swiftly and kick a few other arses on the way for allowing it to happen.

I wonder if Philip Bunce is a Freemason...

That wouldn't surprise me.

I wonder if the bunce has 2 lots of business cards?

Do the let him lose on new clients? That could get confusing.

IT I believe, so probably not client facing. Presumably they do want to keep their clients.