Accepting the term 'cis'?

[MyBeloved]

During a debate with a teenage male family member, I was told I had to accept I was a ciswoman, not a woman...whether I liked it or not! I was also told as a ciswoman I had priviages trans mtf could only dream of.

I feel angry. Should I accept this? Or shall I continue standing up for my adult human female rights?!

Oooh and beyond has colourful little tick boxes

Thats nice

And again:

"yeah call me terf, I don't care" ✅
"TRAs call anyone and everyone TERF" ✅

"youre a bunch of TERFs trans excluders" ❎

KISS, rufus

Not read the whole thread, as it might make me explode. I HATE THE TERM CIS. I find it highly offensive, how dare someone rename me, I spent decades fighting against being called a girl or little lady (patronising). I am a woman, and I earned that bloody title, through decades of fighting sexist patronising arseholes.

So no I won't accept it, I am a woman, and no one has the right to put me a sub category. cis woman is as offensive & patronising as little lady and girlie.

It's actually quite a good thread, and the notion that women should accept being called "cis" has been thoroughly refuted

But you're completely right of course!

Well if this thread goes, I will still be grateful that I could voice my anger at being labelled as something i am not - and to have received validation from many on here.

There really was no ulterior motive for posting I can assure you!

Also, many thanks for making the situation less muddled in my own mind my view is this thread has been worthwhile - for me st any rate

Is there word for 'not having a sexual fetish, not internalized homophobia , nor mummy issues' maybe I will accept that but not cos as I don't have a gender

I sometime think we should wholesale adopt the term 'cis' I'd also like to bet that if we did trans women would not be happy about it and would come after the term cis as well, insisting that we don't need it or that they are also 'cis'.

They have already, Kenn. I've seen twitter threads where queer theorists have been arguing that transwomen become "cis women" after they've had surgery.

Anyway, "cis, my arse" seems to about cover it. Or "no fucking way."

That's an interesting point Kenn transwomen want the word woman so we have to accept the prefix cis. Cis will then come to mean woman to most people as it applies to women. So women, previously known as transwomen, will want cis? Doesn't matter how far you capitulate to a bully they won't stop.Shon was very clear " welcome to your erasure" indeed.

I'm curious how many men would accept now being identified as a cis-man. Funny how that doesn't seem to come up as an issue. It's almost as if trans-men aren't desperate to put natal men firmly in their place.

Stuntnun excellent point.

Op next time your teenage male family member tells you your are a cis woman you can ask him does that make him a cis man? I bet he doesn’t like it.

He was annoyed as he had watched a documentary involving a (as he described her) 'radical feminist' explaining to a mtf trans woman that she had grown up with male privilege and would never understand the world as a girl/woman due to this.

So he's annoyed when women (who're probably not making much effort to be appealing to him either sexually or otherwise) speak authoritatively and point out to men that sometimes we know more about a given subject than they do? He may think of himself as a liberal, but that "how dare she" reaction is pretty sexist.

Sounds a good documentary. I'd watch it

We don't have a term for people who don't collect stamps. Stamp collectors may but they can keep that to themselves because nobody is interested.

If people obsessed with gender roles would like to have words with which to discuss that obsession among themselves then that's fine, but at some point they're going to have to accept that most of us just don't care about what their personal relationship to the concept of femininity/masculinity is.

being referred to as 'cis' is in no way detrimental to society

Bullshit: "Cis" means that you accept the gendered roles society conditions men & women into.

I reject gender. It's a set of historically and culturally constructed roles, designed to oppress women. Gender is biologically determinative: gender roles require people to assume that if you have ovaries & a uterus you should be submissive, kind, nurturing, and be paid on average 15% less.

Bull shit.

Re "cis" being used as a term of abuse, as well as "die cis scum" there's also "down with cis" which I believe was the name of the secret trans-only Facebook group of a certain women's officer? Never mind that most of the people who voted for them will have been "cis" by their definition...

I am still boycotting Lush (very sadly as I was a big fan) partly because they were insisting on "cis-ing" people! Hoping they will sort their act out soon, else I will have to take my Christmas stock-up somewhere else. But up with that I will not put.

There's something a bit nutty about forming a group with the intention of taking down 99.999% of the population ("down with cis").

Watch out with "would he call himself a cis man" as there arewoke men who will use it themselves, thinking it gives them a legimate stick to beat those nasty feminists with...

Its obvious isn't it. Huistorically both homosexual and racial groups have clarified what they want, and don't want, to be called. The latter then becomes an insult.

Why should others impose on women, what they should be called, and then pressure women to accept it. Even if we find it insulting. Or, according to gender expectations, are "proper" supposed to be submissive and accepting, so it is OK.

I suggest we each decide that we all possess sufficient male, as opposed to stereotypical female, gender characteristics to be defined as men. Equality at a stroke? if it were so easy

It's not about if an individual man is willing to term himself 'cis'. It's about the habitual use of the term. So the woke will often use a phrase like 'Trans women and cis women'. They will not often use a phrase like 'Trans men and cis men'.

See also 'Transwomen are women' - the phrase 'Transmen are men' is used, but it's always an afterthought, never the battlecry.

Can I ask a question? I am a lurker on the feminism board, and am always a bit scared to comment because I do sometimes disagree with the vast majority on here. But this is a straight and honest question, and I'd really like to know the answer.
The terminology. So, cis female isn't great because women have earned the right to be female, am I right? But seeing as there are trans people in the world, wouldn't having the term cis be better than existing under one umbrella of womanhood? Because from reading this board, it's clear that most of the women here don't want to thought of in the same terms as trans women.
Also, if we can refute the terms like cis ("Cisgender is a term used to describe people whose gender identity matches the sex that they were assigned at birth") because we want to self-identify, does that not make it complex when we don't want trans people to self-identify?
Please don't all jump on me. These are genuine questions and I am undecided about many aspects of these issues, and just hoping that there is somewhere that I can have a reasoned and balanced debate about them.

Ellen

Why in the name of all that's sensible should I define myself as something I'm not? (you said, 'cis means not trans') Screw that. And the Green Party's one-time definition of women as 'non-men'.

Why on earth should we accept a label that is best defined as a negative quality?

(this point quite aside from the fact that many of us refuse to acknowledge 'gender' anyway, or that we are 'comfortable' with the gender that society has assigned us.)

Pidlan, it's because by accepting the 'cis' label, we are not in separate category to transwomen. By accepting 'cis' we accept that we are now a subcategory under the umbrella.