Accepting the term 'cis'?

[MyBeloved]

During a debate with a teenage male family member, I was told I had to accept I was a ciswoman, not a woman...whether I liked it or not! I was also told as a ciswoman I had priviages trans mtf could only dream of.

I feel angry. Should I accept this? Or shall I continue standing up for my adult human female rights?!

The terminology. So, cis female isn't great because women have earned the right to be female, am I right?

No. Women have been born female. Like any other female mammal. It is not something to be earned, it is simply physical reality, like being brown-eyed.

It's like saying that those of us whose right hand is dominant should describe ourselves as non left handed rather than as right handed.

You don't earn your sex, it just is.
Now the right to use the correct, factual, descriptive terminology is being taken away from us and is being replaced by a dogma that has no factual basis.
This should be a concern for everyone.

The category that I and a male-bodied person who identifies as female are both included in is human. Or (depending on the person), white, Welsh, European-descent, disabled, autistic, ambidextrous, whatever.

It isn't woman.

Transwomen and Women, works just fine.

Any reference to the c word should be met with " a what now?" followed by first sentence on repeat henceforth.

Thanks for answering me! I am really quite conflicted about this because yeah, we're born female or male and that just means chromosomes and genitalia really, so anything beyond that has nothing to do with whether we're male or female. But then I know that we're so very steeped in gender roles and that some people truly feel trapped by the genitalia they were born with and that gender reassignment really does help their mental health.

I dislike the whole 'identify as' thing. I thought through all the things that define me and I don't 'identify' as anything. I am a woman. I am a mother. I am a sober alcoholic. The last one is important. If I just identified as a sober alcoholic I'd be dead by Christmas.

So it seems that to 'identify as' means that you're not actually what you identify as, i.e. men who identify as women are not women. It means that you really want people to understand and believe that you are something that in reality you are not.

I can't see the appeal myself. I could identify as the world's most houseproud person. But it wouldn't change the fact that I live in chaos, and anyone who visited me would know I was lying. I couldn't be bothered trying, but I can imagine how hard it would be to pretend and force my view of myself on people around me. That's where the TRA rage comes from. It's hard work bending the whole world to your view.

or there is the long winded science definition because science is good

'...wouldn't having the term cis be better than existing under one umbrella of womanhood?'

Define womanhood. Define woman. If you cannot define woman (and I mean 'define' as in describe in a noncircular objectifyable manner), there is no basis for women's rights in your coordinate system.

You ask us to ascribe to some ideology that holds that 'woman' is just a feeling that males and females can have, and whoever has it, is under the umbrella of undefined womanhood. An ideology that invalidates women's rights, because anyone can have them, even though the specific reproduction-based oppressions only women face.

Why would women subscribe to that, unless under duress?

I did stereoisomerism upthread, disorganised

Sadly it went pretty much unnoticed

Why on earth would we accept cis?

Trans women (I don’t know about trans men) don’t want to acknowledge that some sort of transition has had to happen so we should just let them have ‘woman’ and we’ll justify our own existence by accepting ‘cis’.

Because it’s that easy. Because womanhood isn’t all that important so let’s just hand it over. We can settle. It’s fine. Woman doesn’t matter all that much.

Pure misogyny.

The world is truly fucking crazy.

Thank you for these replies, lots of stuff I haven't thought about before (esp that by deepwater )

Sorry Beyond! Scanning and missed that.

How is it that Science can be so blatantly ignored by everything in this day and age? We have more wondrous knowledge and fact at our fingertips than ever before and it is completely ignored on every level by society and the flat-earthers in charge.

I am bamboozled

We need a Science party - all political decisions to be based on scientific fact checking policy from now on. Would sort everything right out. Economics, Social Policy, Health etc - all logic based.

New slogan..."women are women".

Presumably this would be considered "hate", and hurtful to the feelings of others.

I recently saw a tshirt at a university shop with 'woman' then a bunch of chemical signs underneath. I don't think it was being political bit I was too chicken to buy it!

*I did stereoisomerism upthread,
Sadly it went pretty much unnoticed *

A shoutout for chemistry (which taught me that it is impossible to ignore material reality)!

Prawn agree.

I could identify as a lesbian.

I'm not a lesbian >> I don't fancy women but hey why let that let me stand in the way of identifying my way into a group that I have no right to join.

Are there any trans professors of organic chemistry I wonder?

Are there any trans professors of any life sciences I wonder?

Just spotted in twitter. It appears that Liverpool council have come out and firmly nailed their glittery unicorn rainbow flag the their mast.

Love the billboard!
T-shirts available here (I'm not affiliated)
www.standingforwomen.com/shop

We need a Science party - all political decisions to be based on scientific fact checking policy from now on. Would sort everything right out. Economics, Social Policy, Health etc - all logic based.

That would be great. A party that doesn't think that the CO2 footprint of tar sand oil can be altered by altering the number on paper, in order to appease Canada (as happened with CETA, courtesy EU burocrats). A party that understands that in an actual physical system, yes, at some point a measure can be too late and no financial trick or international agreement can make the problem then disappear nor rewind the clock.

Genuinely confused at the entire debate, I'm a woman, not trans woman, why does my designation need to be altered when a trans woman has that designation to distinguish they weren't born female anyway? No offence intended, just genuinely baffled.

I worked with a trans woman a few years ago, she was undergoing hormone treatments and eventually had the op, she described herself as trans the entire time I worked with her. I always found it sad she used the disabled toilets instead of the female toilets, that was more her issue as she'd brought it up that she didn't want to make anyone else uncomfortable

But I don’t understand how ig u get rid of genitals you are still the same person as before Nothing has changed you just have no genitals

You don’t suddendly turn into a woman

This is true

A man without a dick =/= a woman

Another one popular among sports transwomen is that they are mcuh weaker when they take their hormones.
This is infuriating.

A weakened man (whether via artifical hormones or some other mechanism e.g. old age) =/= a woman.

Women are not basically the same as men just weaker.
What even is this shit.

This is the "non men" situation that we have been battling against for millenia.

Women are not like men but just crapper.