Accepting the term 'cis'?

[MyBeloved]

During a debate with a teenage male family member, I was told I had to accept I was a ciswoman, not a woman...whether I liked it or not! I was also told as a ciswoman I had priviages trans mtf could only dream of.

I feel angry. Should I accept this? Or shall I continue standing up for my adult human female rights?!

its all exis-cis-tensial-cis nonsense.

CisMyArse 😂😂

and who said feminists don't have a sense of humor

It's as if the woke folk, brocialist people have not spent one second listening to feminists for decades (spoiler alert: that's exactly what happened).

Cisgender is a bird in a gilded cage.

deepwatersolo

Well, Ellen7262, there are also worse things happening in the world than people with dicks not being allowed to pee in women's toilets. And yet, here we are, a couple of years into a never ending activist transwomen hissy fit, and screams of genocide and literal murder.

There is one thing that is really uncontroversial: people who can't define the terms they use, like 'women', are in no position to say who or what is or isn't said term, in this case 'a woman. This is really logic 101, folks.

Thank you. This post was a thing of beauty. Nicely done.

In order for them to 'prove' that transwomen are women, they need to show that "trans" is an adjective to describe a type of woman (like black, tall, angry etc), so then they need another adjective for non-trans women and they can't use the word "real" so they came up with "cis"

However, as transwomen are men there is absolutely no need for the term cis.

Thank you all for your thoughts.
He isn't my son but a male family member who i haven't seen since his family emigrated years ago. This 'debate' took place via Facebook. I have basically put my foot down with him but it is harder when not face to face. If my son insisted i adopt this prefix he would get short shrift!

I am again reminded of the hissy fit certain transwomen threw when enby females dared to call themselves transwomen. 'You're stealing the words we need to describe our experiences!'
Irony is ironic.

If TWAW, and I'm a woman, then therefore I'm also a transwoman. It's them who is being transphobic by suggesting that there's a difference between transwomen and women.

Just ask arrogant teenage male to define woman. Then gender. Keep asking questions, drill down on their own definitions, force them to defend their terms. Like posy did - and those fools had to admit to centering penis people in their feminism.

My teen said today 'all this gender stuff - it's just a way for bullies to shut people up really isn't it?'. He had many aunties and female cousins who don't fit into neat little boxes.

That's my boy. It's still LGB to me.

No woman identifies 100% with the stereotypes imposed upon her.

Neither is the definition of woman 'not a man who identifies as a woman'.

Strewth where do these people get off? They get their own definition, and we get defined as 'not them'?

When the reality is they cannot possibly be defined without us. Of the two, we are the only group that can be defined as a concept by ourselves.

Their own definition is conditional upon our very existence.

And it's ludicrous to suggest that women have any privilege over men. You only have to look at the actual men who are spearheading this entire thing, to see their power.

It's also the ever present irony and lack of logic which characterises this, that allows a teenage boy to lecture a grown woman over imposing a label on her that she doesn't accept, and yet claiming she has the privilege. 😂

If we have the privilege, tell him to fuck off, don't let the door smack him on the way out.

I always think expecting women to call themselves "cis" is a bit like if a religious person demanded that non-religious people call themselves "infidel". Not a perfect analogy, but the same idea of expecting other people to define themselves according to an ideology they don't share.

^am again reminded of the hissy fit certain transwomen threw when enby females dared to call themselves transwomen. 'You're stealing the words we need to describe our experiences!'
Irony is ironic.^

https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2017/10/26/there-is-only-one-protected-class-of-women-and-it-is-men/

In their own words:

Never gets old, that tweet!

Ereshkigal I'd not seen that before, made my evening.

it's just a way for bullies to shut people up really isn't it?'.

Fekko, it so is.

It's also:

A way for the social outliers/socially inept boys in school to get a group identity and/or indulge their autogynephilia and get into the girl's toilets.

And for middle aged men to indulge their sexual fetishes and autogyneohilia.

An absolute dream for sexual predators.

A way for girls to reject the pornified stereotype of women performing sexualised femininity and/or getting back at their mothers.

And for a very small group of people to relieve their gender dysphoria - which they are now being told is not a mental illness

Unfortunately, this last group (possibly the last two groups) are being thrown under the bus by the demands of the extreme trans-activists (the other groups).

It's also highly likely to be a trend - just the step on from the gender-bending of the 80s/early 90s - in which case there is no need for puberty blockers, sex hormones or surgery to change your body/render you infertile. FFS.

Glad to oblige, MsBeee, thank Katelyn though!

we are going to "Idiocratia" pretty soon.
fucking hell. im a woman, not ciswoman. show me the privileges being a women. show me the privileges being a woman in China, Afganistan- including all of the countries "Stana" at the end,India etc. when they chiose to abort you just because you are a woman. Show me the privilage being a women when they are burned, (not talking about all countries above) , beaten to death, because they said 'no' to something. Screw all of the man who think that surgery is magically make you a women. you are never gonna be one.

Toetotoe: yes absolutely! If people with gender dysphoria are told that it isn't a mental illness anymore and self ID is implemented, then there won't be any testosterone or HRT available becausenof won't be recognised as a treatable condition. There will be no surgery options, no puberty blockers, nothing.

Right?

And no womb transplants either.....

Yay for crowdfunding!!!

This 'cis just means non-trans' nonsense really melts my head. I'm off out with my non-cat for a walk if anyone is looking for me!

Exactly. We're not a bi part of some category. We are the category!

If people with gender dysphoria are told that it isn't a mental illness anymore and self ID is implemented, then there won't be any testosterone or HRT available becausenof won't be recognised as a treatable condition. There will be no surgery options, no puberty blockers, nothing

I don't think this is the case. I think in the new utopia with self-ID where anyone can be trans whatever they wear, however they present and whatever they call themselves with no requirement to prove gender disphoria to be trans - then gender disphoria still exists it is just not a mental illness.

It becomes purely a physical issue like all the other variations on human basic which happen every so often due to genetic issues: This boy was born without fingers on his right hand. This girl was born with six toes on each foot. This boy was born with a penis which only extends a few mm from the pubis (what used to be called a clitoris) and without external testicles. This girl was born with an additional growth between her legs and her breasts aren't developing properly in puberty. Like with other physical variances, some people will choose not to have any surgery and some will. Whether or not you want the extra bits of you removed or missing bits substituted with artificially constructed alternatives will be a matter of assessing to what extent your difference from a standard body shape is causing you distress or hardship.

To be honest, if someone could wave a magic wand and entirely eliminate all the structural inequality and discrimination against bleeders&birthers (the category of human that used to be called women) then I would not have any issue with this new utopia. It would be great.

It's just that bleeders&birthers (of any gender presentation) do have different needs to penis-bearers (of any gender presentation). We need additional opportunities in many fields to correct against astronomical underrepresentation and structural and unconscious bias from the penis-havers who dominate senior positions in so many fields of endeavour because of all the barriers they didn't have to face when they were in their teens, twenties, thirties etc. We need different categories in sports as our physiology is different. We need penis-bearer-free spaces for changing and in hospitals and prisons for our safety and dignity.

If self-ID becomes law we will need to organise to create these protections and accommodations for bleeders&birthers. It will be a long road.

Cis woma "oh it just mesns non trans. It's nothing."

GRA " Just a bit of admin. Only affects trans."

Did the plan work Edward? It worked beautifully, Tubbs.

Why on Earth should I be called a cis woman? I am and will always be a woman. I’m not having anyone else tell me otherwise. Trans women are trans women, why should I have to change my gender (name) because they’ve changed their?