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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lily Madigan again. UK Woman's Officer thinks transwomen can get pregnant now.

232 replies

DJLippy · 11/09/2018 15:21

I have no words
twitter.com/madigan_lily/status/1039305017860259840

It's not the original comment that affects me it's the comments section. I thought female erasure was a metaphor - not literal reality.

To think these campaigners are driving public policy. The comments section is truly terrifying.

If you LM blocked you see this

twitter.com/weseeyou12/status/1039512887578906624

Lily Madigan again. UK Woman's Officer thinks transwomen can get pregnant now.
Lily Madigan again. UK Woman's Officer thinks transwomen can get pregnant now.
Lily Madigan again. UK Woman's Officer thinks transwomen can get pregnant now.
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Onlyhappywhenitrains1 · 12/09/2018 15:02

The fact that certain people actually believe that a man could have a baby just by waking in a uterus and pumping in a few hormones shows how little comprehension they have for the biological differences between males and females.

It's not surprising people with that little understanding of biology genuinely believe that males can be/become females.

TerfsUp · 12/09/2018 16:21

All they need is a pair of ruby slippers to click together for the fantasy to be complete.

BrendasUmbrella · 12/09/2018 17:01

Transmascs? I think I see.

Transwomen are definitely women, because nobody important is objecting to that, but men are iffy about accepting transmen as male and we don't want those be-suited vagina havers to rock our boat, so we'll just relabel them. Nobody important will object to that...

eelbecomingforyou · 12/09/2018 17:18

The lack of critical thinking on LM's Twitter is fucking mindblowing. How stupid are they???

And the twits who reply to her - 'how fantastic!' 'Is there room for a uterus in a man's body?'

WTAF???

RedToothBrush · 12/09/2018 17:47

Have you noticed the competitiveness thing?

LGBT Goldsmiths was desperate to prove they were more leftie than anyone else and they were more righteous because of how good the Stalinists were at their height.

Lily in going on about giving birth, is desperate to prove their ability to give birth more than any other trans person.

All are desperate to prove how they are more oppressed than everyone else.

It's extreme in its desire to 'prove' what we demonstrably know to be untrue. The confidence with which is said is designed to make you doubt yourself and capitulate in some way.

Why this need to constantly go further and more extreme?

Attention yes. But also because of a deep desire to convince themselves and to reinforce the fragility of their own facade. And perhaps more sinister to convince followers.

Hence repetition after repetition and the idea that anything that challenges that fragility is unkind or nasty or harmful.

The problem is that the truth was that millions died under Stalin - why create a narrative than sanitises that, unless you want to replicate in someway?

Why create a story about how you can still have kids, when the truth is you are knowingly encouraging others to harm themselves and in the process end their child bearing ability?

And the extremeness of they illicits greater emotional responses in individuals, than comments which don't go as far. Their power is in their extremeness - and who they are targeted at. Its people 'like them' and this desire to create victimhood and enemies in order to manipulate and psychologically control.

These are not neutral comments.

There is a programme about lying/telling the truth on BBC Iplayer at the moment (watch it, it's good). In it there's one point when the psychologist talks about why Trump can get away with such lies, and he explains the use of a psychological device to effectively manipulate people. We are designed to instinctively to trust our instincts in a fight or flight response. The effect can be used in order to elicit trust in dubious politicians by provoking emotional response in the same manner. This lowers our guard and makes us vulnerable to political messages which suggest we (or our people) are under threat and makes us more likely to trust the person 'warning us' of the 'threat'.

Look at this through this lens and think, what is Lily doing here? Deliberately provoking women to 'attack' (challenge the lies) in a way that tries to frame Lily as a victim?

Its an attempt to lower the guards of people who emotionally connect or feel sympathy for Lily into accepting the 'truth' Lily tells by confusing their instinctive reaction to protect Lily with what Lily says.

The more extreme and the more emotive the more power it creates for a leader over followers.

There is a slight clash here, I might add when it comes to women. Women are conditioned - because of our role in looking after children - to be hyper aware of these kind of tactics and threats in everyday life. It's no different when it comes to politics.

And whilst the political tactic still works on women, it's noticeable that the effect is perhaps different and less effective in women who have previous experience of manipulation or have children. They seem more immune to the effect of the abuse of power. #Metoo's emotion provoking response is so powerful in its truth as a result of the same thing.

And in the case of extreme TRAs, women are also identifying correctly, how this effect is being used against their interests.

Natsku · 12/09/2018 20:04

Here's a gem from that twitter thread - this person thinks that transmen getting pregnant is actually male pregnancy. Oh and they also think wombs are invisible on ultrasounds unless they have a baby in them.

Lily Madigan again. UK Woman's Officer thinks transwomen can get pregnant now.
MadamBatty · 12/09/2018 20:09

Hiding wombs, who knew?

Natsku · 12/09/2018 20:17

Maybe they think transwomen have had wombs all along, they've just been hiding.

FermatsTheorem · 12/09/2018 20:21

Maybe the wombs wandered off somewhere. After all, that was cutting edge medical science back in 5th century BC Greece.

OhtheHillsareAlive · 12/09/2018 20:27

The thing that I find REALLY sinister about this is that - as I understand it it - most organ donation is from deceased persons. So LM as a Women's Officer is actually celebrating the death of women.

Natsku · 12/09/2018 20:29

Well I finally got blocked for pointing out facts

Lazypoolday · 12/09/2018 20:30

Any mention of the actually babies who would be exposed to God knows what drugs in order for a pregnancy to be maintained and who would basically be human experiments? Didn't think so, their own need for validation overules all

Lazypoolday · 12/09/2018 20:31

*actual babies

MadamBatty · 12/09/2018 20:39

Babies? Who wants babiez? It’s all about the Rights to be pregnant

Weren’t wandering wombs to do with hysteria in women?

stillathing · 12/09/2018 20:42

The thing that I find REALLY sinister about this is that - as I understand it it - most organ donation is from deceased persons. So LM as a Women's Officer is actually celebrating the death of women

Young women too, surely. So untimely deaths.

Potplant2 · 12/09/2018 20:49

FFS, I’ve never been pregnant, so I guess I must have imagined the two pelvic ultrasounds I’ve had and the fact the radiographer carefully checked my womb each time, showing and talking me through what she was doing?

birdbandit · 12/09/2018 20:49

Lily might well identify as a young woman, but she thinks and behaves like a teenager.

She sees kindness from adults as validation, when it is just kindness. We tolerate immature guff from our kids because we know they just don't have the smarts, yet.

Her peers and she talk and talk the sort of chat you might hear in the school 5th form common room.

Sadly for Lily, she's smart, but not the manipulative genius of her imagination. Lily thinks she's in control of all this, using folk's intolerance of her nonsense as a weapon. A delusion from her immaturity and arrogance.

Can you imagine if we had documented online all the idiocy, the immature and egotistical thoughts we had when we were teenagers? And that our now employers and friends could read them? Cringeworthy stuff.

Except lily isn't a teenager, she's physically at least an adult.

RedToothBrush · 12/09/2018 21:29

Can you imagine if we had documented online all the idiocy, the immature and egotistical thoughts we had when we were teenagers?

I'm 40. I've been online and part of online forums since I was 18.

I never did any of this shit. Never been that type of online personality. I've come across a few but they were never in my circle. Strangely enough.

RaininSummer · 12/09/2018 21:43

The little wanker really gives me the rage. Gahhhhh.

Fallingirl · 12/09/2018 21:45

There is a very, very easy way of making sure the vast majority of men will be able to get pregnant within a couple of generations.

Swap the labels “boy” and “girl” around at birth. Call penis babies girls and vice versa.

Keep all power structures intact and attached to the labels “women” and “men” (as the adult versions of girls and boys, as at present). Then men, those with the uteruses and XX chromosomes, could gestate babies while having all the power men currently have.

Penis people would have the social positions women and girls currently have. Easy. Problem solved.

This surely should get the backing of all TRAs, seeing as they are totally not a penis rights movement.

birdbandit · 12/09/2018 21:48

Hi Red, I'm also 40. I was a bit of a pillock when I was Lily's age, but NOTHING on Lily's idiocy.

Still glad there is very little evidence on my shenanigans, mind!

TerfsUp · 13/09/2018 07:38

Does Lily think Lily will give birth through h** penis?

VickyMcQueen · 13/09/2018 10:02

This is ridiculous.

Do people really believe that MN will ban posters for using HE,HIM etc when talking about the MAN Liam/Lily Madigan?

Fucking RIDICULOUS.

MNHQ has lost the plot. Whoever runs the site nowadays should be ashamed.

VickyMcQueen · 13/09/2018 10:04

@MNHQ - please explain to me why everyone is afraid to call a man a man on here.

Lancelottie · 13/09/2018 10:06

MN will indeed ban posters for that, Vicky, whether or not anyone agrees with it.