Do you recognise yourself?

[jasminemaya]

This trans journalist had a chance encounter with a supporter of WPUK. Was this one of you lot?

Really thoughtful article - division into two camps without engaging with each other is not the answer.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/anti-trans-abuse-lgbt-rights-non-binary-public-dawn-butler-still-here-a8531236.html

why do all self-proclaimed non-binary people write in the style of a ‘and then the whole restaurant stood up and clapped’ chain FB post. does it come free with the hair dye?

Because they all do. So many people clearly stopped the writer to validate trans ideology on the way home. Literally everyone has nothing more exciting to think about.

and the name of that gender-binary smashing enby transfemme demiboy? albert einstein

That article in The Independent is almost funny. What a perfect set of events to happen to support Yas Necati's arguments. Almost spooky how it fell into place.

My favourite bit was when it turns out that, in need of scientific backing for their pseudo-science, they just happened to have a neuroscientist with them! What are the chances of that!

Anyway, that's my Public Service Announcement task done.

Sausage

why do all self-proclaimed non-binary people write in the style of a ‘and then the whole restaurant stood up and clapped’ chain FB post

It's almost like the money-shot.

My mother in law told me everyone in her church group is talking about it and filling out the consultation.

That's hilarious Big shocker MIL's church group isn't a fan of LGBTs.

I absolutely was struck about how the trans individual who wrote this article felt the need for a protected space where they could share with others who had a similar life experience. That is what women have fought for and that is what we are fighting to retain.

OTOH other posters suggest this individual was born female and therefore perhaps sees the appeal but trans people born male would be furious that he/she was making that argument?

The one disappointment in the article is that it's traditional for such tales on the Internet to end with "drops mic".

Oh lovely. Some pointless church bashing for spice. For those not keeping up, not every churchgoer is a bigot, and it's possible to be very supportive of LGB people and be a Christian, and TRAism is a parasite neo religion which demands more privileges than any traditional religion would get away with in our secular society.

FloralBunting

Are you saying it is impossible to be a Christian and support trans people? I noticed your omission of the T from LGB?

I thought the point of Christianity was compassion and empathy and that should extend to all people including trans people?

Big shocker MIL's church group isn't a fan of LGBTs.

Ooh your prejudice is showing.

I thought the point of Christianity was compassion and empathy and that should extend to all people including trans people?

So why suggest my MIL’s church wouldn’t be the same? My MIL, the lesbian.

I thought the point of Christianity was compassion and empathy and that should extend to all people including trans people?

Doesn't mean Christians have to agree with everything being demanded though, does it? especially if Christians believe (as many non-Christians do) that some of the things being demanded will detrimentally affect a massive number of other people.

Yeah. I'm trying to figure out what this has to do with LGB...

Nice to know your MIL the lesbian is warmly accepted into her church group, in my experience church groups can be a daunting place to come out.

If we do recognise ourselves (because this totally happened) will you send us to a gulag?

Hmm, as for leaving the T out of LGB, well, I gather that in the wake of Riley "your dating preferences are transphobic" Dennis, and the whole cotton ceiling shite, and the fact that apparently users of Grindr now have to sift out a whole load of be-vulva-ed individuals who think that wearing a chest binder means that gay men should be interested in dating them, I get the impression that quite a lot of L and G people would quite like to decouple the LGB bit from the T bit.

Jasmine I think you’ve been really quite nasty there. What a shame you and to stoop to such a low level.

GulagMilkMonitor how on earth have I been nasty? I am genuinely pleased your MIL the lesbian has found a gay friendly church, they are fairly hard to come by.

Perfectly possible to support Trans people and be a Christian. Most Christians I know arent big fans of totalitarian bullies, though, so they don't go big on supporting TRAs.

they are fairly hard to come by

Perhaps 20 years ago, perhaps in the back of beyond.

So OP, the article: the author wants spaces where they can be with people like them, who share their life experiences, and understand what it’s like to live in a body like there’s. This is exactly what women want, what we are fighting to preserve. What are your thoughts about that?

Seconding HotRockers excellent question. Not participating in the goady derail anymore.

HotRocker I agree with the journalist there should be dialogue rather than it being 'us and them'.

It's very easy to put people in a box and label them as enemies. All of a sudden trans people are 'othered' and GC women are labelled as... you know what the label is.

Both GC women and trans people have a point to make and imo would benefit from listening to each other.

The only responses I've seen to the article have been scornful, no recognition the author has an experience to share and that is just as valid as any woman's experience.

FWIW I think the trans community need to listen and learn too.

Do we still get deleted for yawning?

Asking for a friend.