Dr Nicola Williams on BBC2 at 10.15, Victoria Live

[PersistenceIsNotFutile]

Twitter thread here: twitter.com/AskNic/status/1039073161252364288

I've been laughing about this ever since I saw this on here. It's light relief from the own goal that was the Challenors. And Jess Bradley, of course.

The only sad thing is that it's so hard to get the politicians & the ploppers to join the dots. Come on!

Cos the generals can’t show their faces as they are all inter mixed and linked.
But the quality of the foot soldiers is declining as they get shot down or shoot themselves down 1 by 1

Yes. But why are the generals, who skulk in the deeper shadows, picking these ones to stick in front of a camera ?

The Grauniad couldn't get anyone prominent from the TRA side to comment on their Karen White article - but I bet they tried. Same here: I bet Sad Face Vic tried loads of people and the only one she could get was Tara.

This Karen White thing is so bad that even the usual talking heads know not to go anywhere near it.

But why are the generals, who skulk in the deeper shadows, picking these ones to stick in front of a camera ?

I thought their game was 'no debate', so if the BBC wants to show 'both sides', as it's supposed to do, and all the TRAs refuse to go on air, then the piece gets pulled. Maybe they're looking a little harder now for someone to put the other point of view, and this is what you get.

Finally its on iplayer. They took the Tara giving the finger out.

Re: Sue Pascoe crass claims about WPUK, UK Prevent programme etc. - I think I have new insight into why investment in de-radicalisation programmes is failing to achieve anything.

ANTI-RADICALISATION programmes aimed at stopping people being drawn into terrorism are failing, according to a shock report. More than 95 per cent of the schemes being run in schools, sports clubs, youth centres and English-Language classes are deemed to be ineffective, according to a study commissioned by the Home Office.
...
Participants in the study, seen by The Times, felt their freedom of expression had been restricted and teachers would refuse to engage in topics over fears of bringing up matters of race and religion without appearing discriminatory.

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/970249/Terorr-news-de-radicalisation-uk-prevent-report

And just in case anyone is interested in just how much overlap there is in the demographic of WPUK, FPFW and those typically reported to the UK Prevent programme - here is the Home Office report.

Individuals referred to and supported through the Prevent Programme, April 2016 to March 2017
Statistical Bulletin 06/18

1.2 Age
In 2016/17, of the 6,093 individuals referred, the majority (3,487; 57%) were aged 20 years or under. Those aged 20 years or under also made up the majority of the 1,146 individuals discussed at a Channel panel (697; 61%) and the 332 individuals that received Channel support (226; 68%).

1.3 Gender
In 2016/17, of the 6,093 individuals referred, the majority were male (4,971; 82%). Males also made up the majority of the 1,146 individuals discussed at a Channel panel (943; 82%) and the 332 individuals that received Channel support (290; 87%).

1.4 Type of Concern
In 2016/17, of the 6,093 individuals referred, 3,704 (61%) were referred for concerns related to Islamist extremism and 968 (16%) were referred for concerns related to right wing extremism.
...Of the 1,146 individuals discussed at a Channel panel, 271 were referred for extreme right wing related concerns (24%) and this proportion increased for the 332 individuals who received Channel support (124; 37%).

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/694002/individuals-referred-supported-prevent-programme-apr2016-mar2017.pdf

They’ve reported WPUK to the police under PREVENT? Really? I’d be interested to hear a lot more about their claims.

And wtf will the “de radicalisation” process be for women who are gender critical? HD brows and a Brazillian wax?

This Karen White thing is so bad that even the usual talking heads know not to go anywhere near it.

It's either or. Either

• everyone who says they are a woman is one and should be treated exactly as one

or

-a male rapist should never be in a womens prison

Both can't be true. This is the fracture point for the arguments which people pushing for self id etc are putting forward. So most of the usual suspects won't want to talk about this or acknowledge it.

Tara Hudson is flat out lying about being raped 3 times in 7 days in prison. If you go back to 2015 and look at articles from the time you'll see no mention of rape or sexual assault, and this was when they were trying to get Tara moved to a female prison.

Then there is this article from 2016 which describe Tara's experiences in a male prison, again no mention of rape, but rather a private cell and being closely watched over by guards.

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/tara-hudson-the-harrowing-reality-of-being-a-trans-woman-in-an-a/

^“The first couple of days I was locked up when all the other prisoners were out, so the guards could make sure I was safe and wasn’t going to be attacked.

“When the media attention started, the guards were suddenly on high risk. They decided to turn up with a bag of knickers and some bras and moisturiser, and then moved me to another cell, because some people had been shouting things at me.

“At the time I didn’t see it as harassment or aggression – it was just ‘we love you’, ‘we’re your fan club’, ‘try and come onto our wing’ and so on. But the guards were really cautious about it. I moved cells three times in seven days.”^

Its been uploaded to YouTube;

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=eaDibfKnKbc

Brilliant. Thanks for this. I was on Twitter (as Green Witch) until last week, when my account was suddenly closed down for tweeting this about another infamous TRA
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Green Witch
@GreenWi82481196
Is this the guy who is getting women's refuges shut down in Canada? Ryan a.k.a "Lisa" Kreut? I find that tweets referring to him cannot be re-tweeted for some reason. [...]!

That was it. That was all they objected to.
It is great to find the discussion about self-ID still going on here. If BBC2 gave airtime to Tara Hudson and he made false claims about being raped in prison, that is big news and it should be spread around as fast as we can.

By the way, I have got children, although they are grown up, so I hope it's all right to register on Mumsnet.

GreenWi82481196 Welcome to Mumsnet

Thanks, Upstart Crow.
But the swearing was edited out?
What prison is Tara Hudson actually in?

Check out the post by thewitchofwentworth, just above mine.

Thanks, I have watched the clip now.
So even if we are banned from Twitter we can respond by text or Email?
I will look for the number and the Email address.
This is a rare chance to discuss these sort of issues, which the mainstream media are mostly turning a blind eye to.

Found it!

BBC Two - Victoria Derbyshire - Contact us
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05qqk5c/contact
Home · Episodes · Clips · Contact Us. Contact details. twitter. @VictoriaLIVE. facebook. www.facebook.com/VictoriaDerbyshire. email. [email protected] ...

I have now sent an Email to Victoria Derbyshire.

I have also scanned the article from Daily Telegraph which is sheer ludicrous propaganda
www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/tara-hudson-the-harrowing-reality-of-being-a-trans-woman-in-an-a/

Harrowing indeed! there is not one word of sympathy for the victim of his violent assault, and it must have been very serious indeed for him to get 12 weeks in prison as a first offender.
There's not one word about the danger to women if this deranged hooligan is dumped on us.
It's all sob-sob for his terrible "plight" because he's a cross-dresser in a men's prison. If he has any problem it's of his own making.
They could solve the problem by dressing him in a prison uniform and cutting his bleached hair off. He certainly shouldn't be allowed jewellry or makeup in there. It's meant to be a prison.

Thank you Upstart Crow.

Welcome Green! Despite the name, there's lots of women on MN who aren't mothers or who are parents to grown up children. Despite what some might think, we dont' just talk about prams and nappies (and apparently that is disgusting, and we should stick to fluffy mummy topics)

Hudson was released from prison in 2015 (her sentence was quite short - something like 12 weeks IIRC). She is now suing the MoJ over her treatment and the case is due to come to court later this month. TH currently lives in Amsterdam and earns a living doing somewhat dubious sex things, apparently still with a "seven inch surprise"

I imagine the MoJ has some good lawyers who will be able to take Tara’s case apart quite effectively.

Its awful because one’s natural inclination is to support (#webelieveyou) when these kind of disclosures are made, but there is a pending case and TH is, no doubt, suing for damages. I couldn’t help wondering “why now?” when it was not mentioned during the media coverage & appeals at the time. It was also rather detailed for daytime TV.

Welcome Greenwitch, MN does, wonderfully, allow discussion of these issues. However there are guidelines we are asked to adhere to which include respecting pronouns, although more things have been left to stand when it comes to convicted violent offenders etc (ie there is some flexibility in context). But have a look at the Mumsnet statement on moderation in particular with regard to trans rights so you can avoid having posts deleted for pronoun wrongthink.

Just caught up with this on iPlayer - without Tara’s final flourish, alas. It was Tara who initially ‘peak transed’ me although I don’t think we were calling it that then! Interesting to see how things are going for Tara. Has there ever been claims of ‘3 rapes in a week’ made before? That’s a pretty serious and shocking allegation, if this is the first time it’s been made on live TV, will it be followed up? Should we contact the prison that held Tara and ask them to look into this? The graphic allegations are a matter of public record now.