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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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MipMipMip · 06/09/2018 12:05

Because let's be honest, we'll need it.

To answer a question from the last thread.

Some of Stonewall's LGB / bullying materials are really good. How can they jeopardise this work by ignoring safeguarding in this way?

Because poor Aimee had no idea that any of it was real and believed her convicted animal abuser and had no possible reason to think he was set up and entirely honest. And anyway she had no idea of how serious the accusations were. Poor Aimee.

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AnchorMum · 06/09/2018 17:48

Red thanks for the brilliant analysis - I find it really helpful in trying to understand the bigger picture.

ArkeNOTen · 06/09/2018 18:31

Nice, thanks. I'll sleep better for that!

theOtherPamAyres · 06/09/2018 20:29

I've noticed something annoying about careerists in the 'Young' wings of all our major parties. I have challenged a few in the Green Party about it.

They say: "I am fighting for...I am fighting against...I am passionate about x and I won't let this happen".

I say: "How are you "fighting"? What have you done so far? What do you mean by "fighting"?

Here's an example. Hannah Clare, head of Young Greens, writing in Huffington Post on International Women's Day, by fighting for marginalised genders. Vacuous.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/hannah-clare/im-fighting-for-the-equal_b_15212058.html

hilbobaggins · 06/09/2018 20:40

theOtherPamAyres when I read that kind of crap I really do think there’s something in Jordan Peterson’s “ tidy your room” message. Stop trying to change the world and put your own house in perfect order first.

arranfan · 06/09/2018 20:52

Hannah Clare, head of Young Greens, writing in Huffington Post on International Women's Day, by fighting for marginalised genders.
Stop trying to change the world and put your own house in perfect order first.

I'm sure those young women would be shocked at their resemblance to Dickens Mrs Jellaby.

Many find their double in the London of Bleak House, where she goes by the name of Mrs Jellaby. Mrs Jellaby, you recall, practises that modern virtue so aptly named by Dickens as 'telescopic philanthropy', a burning, all-consuming, passion to do good at great distance. Oblivious of her children, one of whom has its head firmly lodged in the area railings, Mrs Jellaby is met enthusing on her project for 200 other families to cultivate coffee and educate the natives of Barrieboola-Gha. Source

Additional longer discussion of this character: Mrs. Jellyby and the Domination of Cause

In the book’s postscript, we learn that the Borrioboola-Gha project failed after the local king sold the project’s volunteers [impoverished Britons] into slavery in order to buy rum. Far from being deterred by this grim outcome, Mrs. Jellyby quickly finds another cause to occupy her time, “a mission with more correspondence than the old one,” thus providing new vistas for a permanent campaigner.

While few in the peace movement so radically neglect those in their care, unfortunately I cannot think of Mrs. Jellyby merely as a gross caricature. When my wife and I talked about her recently, we could think of several people, of both sexes, resembling her in many details: people with a certain legitimate concerns and noble goals who engage themselves so fully that their fixation wrecks havoc in the lives of those around them, driving many people they intended to influence, even their own sons and daughters, in the opposite direction.

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 06/09/2018 20:57

What the flipperty flip are "marginalized genders"?

These kids all seem to think nobody before then actually did anything about injustice in the world. Or they equate their campaigns for other middle class people to have the right to use zie as a pronoun to suffering imprisonment, death, torture etc for the right to vote / organizer workers' rights / choose a partner etc

RedToothBrush · 06/09/2018 20:59

How do these students get degrees?

Why do media companies pay for essays in utter drivel?

Do they just enter some key words into an app and the app randomly generates an 'essay' in bullshit featuring all the correct buzz words.

And then everyone goes 'oh man, how enlightening' cos their all off their tits on wokeness when maybe they would have been better taking recreational drugs instead?

heresyandwitchcraft · 06/09/2018 21:30

Lol, probably.
It's sad, too, because the amount of mental energy people spend on empty virtue signalling and problematizing common sense/policing behaviour you would think we could have solved the problem of those giant garbage islands. I would much rather be talking about that, instead of trying to convince these dweebs that biological sex is still a real thing that matters. And we're all only having to do this because these idiots are trying to introduce actual laws that say it doesn't..................

theOtherPamAyres · 06/09/2018 21:38

Fanfare, trumpets sound.

There is an amazing thread from a senior Green, Theo Simon (Frome, Somerset).

It moved me. I can't believe how fast this giant tanker is being pulled around towards a u-turn. Or how the green TRAs are being handed their arses on a plate.

Thanks Mumsnet.

twitter.com/GreenSomFrome/status/1037451357521948673

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 06/09/2018 21:45

I love Theo! Thank you!

I noted the reaction of one Lily (not that one) who ran the full gamut of teenage rage: "I hate you! Why do you hate meeee?! Fuck you, I never want to talk to you again!"

These people really are just over privileged spoilt brats who've never yet had any adult stand up to them. They're still working off the playbook that got them to Kevin's party when they were 15 - "if I can't go, I'll kill myself and it'll all be your fault!"

And this has been how policy is determined.

HawkeyeInConfusion · 06/09/2018 21:52

Well done Theo Simon. Thank you for speaking out.

OlennasWimple · 06/09/2018 22:02

Notice how few screeches of "bigotry! Burn him!" there are on Theo Simon's Twitter feed....? This is why we need more men to stick their necks out and say this stuff

LangCleg · 06/09/2018 22:17

trans furry adult baby identity

If Wings Over Scotland were to do some new polling and ask whether trans furry adult babies should be allowed to change legal sex via self-identification of gender, do we think the 18% figure in support of general self-ID would go up or down?!

(I have tried to make myself say the words trans furry adult baby identity out loud but I just can't do it. You lot try and report back!)

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 06/09/2018 22:27

everyone goes 'oh man, how enlightening' cos their all off their tits on wokeness

Yeah this I think. Moral superiority, the 21st-century LSD

arranfan · 06/09/2018 23:06

I applaud Theo Simon tho' he and Darren are a bit late to the party but...

How did they not notice this disaster before now? Is Verita genuinely going to discover that there is no meaningful oversight at all?

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 06/09/2018 23:39

"Off tits on wokeness" is brilliant!

I'm very anti drugs - on several morally superior bases, most notably not wanting to see women and children killed in trafficking - but even I would prefer actual grade A hard stuff to the dangerous moral superiority wokeness narcotic that is flooding the veins of terminally beardy enby zombies who are eating the critical thinking part of the brains of our young.

Oooh I'm selling this to BBC 3 as a youf horror series...

RedToothBrush · 06/09/2018 23:44

Oi.

Make sure you properly credit the idea. Wink

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 07/09/2018 00:01

Red executive producer?

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 07/09/2018 07:04

BBC might mistake it for an educational video

CesiraAndEnrico · 07/09/2018 09:09

twitter.com/rachel_shares/status/1037706514885160960?s=21

Any background on this ? This was the guy who took a more pro-GC stance after the elections were over, right ?

And now he's been suspended ? Or was suspended before ? And the Green LGBTNDJDJDKDKDJDJFJ are involved in, or spreading gossip they shouldn't know about his suspension ?

There are a lot of acronyms that I don't understand in the convo and ai'm struggling with who's who. But it looks like it might point to some long per standing stress fractures starting to shear apart.

MipMipMip · 07/09/2018 11:56

I have eventually found how to complain that the Green Party sending out pre filled forms could bias the GRA discussion. If you agree it could be prejudicial you can complain at www.parliament.uk/feedback.

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SonicVersusGynaephobia · 07/09/2018 12:38

Cesira my understanding was that he was suspended after his GC stance. Or wasn't allowed to speak on behalf of the party, anyway.

CesiraAndEnrico · 07/09/2018 13:58

OK, that makes sense. Because I'm fairly sure it was his account I was looking at on... Monday I think, and he was taking a pasting for not following the TRA line.

So this is looking like a revenge suspension. For WrongSpeak. And Green LGBTJDNDKDNSKFN appear to have gone all gossipy over it, giving once more plentiful examples of their gleaming "professionalism".

Freespeecher · 07/09/2018 14:21

Blimey! Hell hath no woman like a Furry scorned.

OhBuggerandArse · 07/09/2018 14:27

I resigned from the Scottish Green Party today. I kept my letter focussed on Cass MacGregor's 'resign if you don't like it there's no room for debate' tweet and the need for respectful dialogue and discussion, just because I didn't want them to junk my letter out of hand. But if they come back with a reply (I'm not holding my breath) I'll see how many more arguments I might be able to bring in to the discussion.

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