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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

First there was Jess Bradley, then the Challenors, now Edward Lord...

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PimmsnLemonade · 01/09/2018 15:10

No direct accusations against Edward Lord (the 'non-binary' freemason who is trying to remove single-sex spaces in London) but here he is describing as a "hero" a man who was a member of the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) and is a continuing "advocate" for paedophiles:

twitter.com/edwardlord/status/958632082762321922

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10948796/Paedophilia-is-natural-and-normal-for-males.html

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ErrolTheDragon · 02/09/2018 18:19

Uh huh. But oddly enough, apparently it's ok to completely ignore women's preferred terms and meanings of words. You'd be forgiven for thinking there were two classes of citizen.

haXXor · 02/09/2018 20:47
  • L Madigan claiming to be Savile's apprentice.
  • S Faye thinking schoolgirls should "suck dick and get tits early".
  • J Bradley flashing and reblogging images of child-aged cartoon characters being raped.
  • A Challenor dating a man who dresses as a baby for sexual purposes, despite having a father who dressed as a child to rape a little girl. There is no way that AC is ignorant of said lover's fetish and, even if AC doesn't participate, AC has remained within the relationship and so endorses that fetish (in the "what you walk past without challenging is what you accept" sense of endorse).
  • Edward Lord endorsing a paedophile apologist who was in PIE "for research purposes" (pull the other one, it has bells on).

All the above have sought to undermine single-sex provision, which is used to safeguard women, girls, and boys too young to use men's facilities alone.

All the above have, as listed, expressed or demonstrated worrying sexual attitudes or behaviours with regard to actual children or men with fetished ideas of children.

"Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern." We have FIVE prominent TRAs demonstrate or express worrying attitudes about children whilst undermining the safeguarding function of single-sex spaces. This is not a coincidence, this is an irrefutable pattern.

And only FWR are refusing to be wilfully blind to this. No wonder they want to shut us down.

theOtherPamAyres · 02/09/2018 20:50

There is a perfectly reasonable defence for trans people wearing nappies in adulthood that I have just invented

Men who dress as women have an obsession with 'tucking in' their lady penises. According to various Trans Style Guides, duct tape and elastoplast are the go-to products if you are going out in a mini-skirt or tight dress.

But what if you're the kind of girl who hasn't shaved her face and legs today and just wants to lounge in a comfy onesie? You can't go commando, heaven forbid. Cue the nappy with an adjustable waist band and elastic legs (fanfare). Ahhhhh, that's better.

Now, how much shall I ask the Adult Babies to donate to Fairplay for Women, for coming up with that watertight (see what I did there?) story?

NothingOnTellyAgain · 02/09/2018 20:53

haXXor

Don't forget the person who was a (the?) leading advocate in the UK for legalising extreme porn (bestiality, content with acts that caused lasting injury, can't remember the rest).

NothingOnTellyAgain · 02/09/2018 20:55

And Lord's partner who has collabortaed closely with a couple of queer theorists who see "intergenerational sexuality" as a sadly misunderstood sexuality and the people who wish for such encounters as at the bottom of the oppression heap in a hopelessly prudish society.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 02/09/2018 20:56

makes the likes of IW >> women who dont' shave their legs are dirty >> and PL >> getting catcalled is awesome and women/girls who don't like it are stuck up dried up btches >> seem innocent sweet and harmless in comparison

ErrolTheDragon · 02/09/2018 23:02

Apples and oranges. Not harmless, because they've provided cover for the others unfortunately.

SwearyG · 02/09/2018 23:16

Just seen on twitter that Mr Lord has been on a deleting spree of all his tweets from 2018. All the ones calling women names, all the ones celebrating trans rights, all the ones showing who he is.

I wonder why that might be Hmm

SwearyG · 02/09/2018 23:18

Actually strike that. There are lots of accounts and it is late.

haXXor · 02/09/2018 23:25

Really hoping EL was tracked by Politwoops...

haXXor · 02/09/2018 23:42

NothingOnTellyAgain

Jane Fae / John Ozimek. Yes, someone who likes looking at women whilst they are subjected to lasting injury, and who also wants to demolish same-sex provisions and safeguarding by rendering same-sex exemptions meaningless.

That's six so far. I suspect that collectively we are very close to unearthing something big, hence why Hailey "Captain Binbag"* Heartless is trying to get Mumsnet shut down by all nefarious means necessary.

We need to capture this vital dot-joining because of that threat. Archive.is doesn't work on Mumsnet threads (I suspect that Mumsnet have configured their website to block requests from Archive.is) so I will see about making backups to add some redundancy to R0wan's.

  • HT to the tweep who came up with that in response to the PVC dress worn by HH in that "make you cum" goady video.
haXXor · 03/09/2018 00:02

Sadly no, EL wasn't on Politwoops. Anyone with screencaps, hang onto them. Same goes for AC. They don't get to rewrite history.

ThatDoctorEM · 03/09/2018 09:51

Anlaf You raise a really significant point.

Clever this innit. You spend all your time fretting that you might use the wrong word, so no time to engage your brain...

Gavin De Becker's work on sexual predators has noted that when approaching a potential victim and putting a scenario in play the predator will talk a lot - this is to jam the victim's thought process - no time to assess 'where did that men come from', 'is it safe to let him follow me to my car/front door' 'where is my drink on the bar'.

stillathing · 03/09/2018 09:54

*Gavin De Becker's work on sexual predators has noted that when approaching a potential victim and putting a scenario in play the predator will talk a lot - this is to jam the victim's thought process - no time to assess 'where did that men come from', 'is it safe to let him follow me to my car/front door' 'where is my drink on the bar'.

i've been mugged by a group of men using this method

placemats · 03/09/2018 09:57

Why have they all suddenly started to delete their twitter feed?

Is there something I should know?

AngryAttackKittens · 03/09/2018 10:01

Almost as if a whole lot of people have just realized that the public is about to deem them to be on the "wrong side of history", isn't it?

haXXor · 03/09/2018 10:06

jam the victim's thought process

Trained rapists PUAs use jamming tactics. Julien Blanc and his grabbing women by the neck whilst shushing them springs to mind. Self-id is a men's sexual rights goal.

haXXor · 03/09/2018 10:18

Self-id is a men's sexual rights goal. In the sense that keeping you second-guessing as to whether person X should be in the female-only space they are in and having to navigate the mental gymnastics of "nounself" pronouns, enby singular they, and pronouns that can change daily (e.g. Bunce), all of which are things that you self-id into, are thought-jamming.

AngryAttackKittens · 03/09/2018 10:29

People should also look into false teaming, which many TRAs use.

AuntMsVanillaRose · 03/09/2018 10:43

Kind of disgusting trying to blame someone who is only just out of her teens for crimes committed by a family member ...

R0wantrees · 03/09/2018 10:43

Forced Teaming:
"This term was developed by Gavin de Becker in his book The Gift of Fear. A false loyalty is imposed on the target by the perpetrator suggesting to the target that they have a urgent common problem (and implying they need to start working together right away). This leads the target to forget about normal risk assessment. Even if the two people have a common problem, it is unlikely that 1) it is really urgent, 2) they have a best solution in common, and 3) joint action is necessary. This technique is meant to bypass healthy distrust and in real life is almost never benign. Unfortunately many movies employ forced teaming as a plot device for characters to get to know each other, which may desensitize people."

IAmLurkacus · 03/09/2018 10:45

Not heard of forced teaming before. Thanks for the explanation/info. That’s interesting Smile

R0wantrees · 03/09/2018 10:49

Kind of disgusting trying to blame someone who is only just out of her teens for crimes committed by a family member ...

AuntMsVanillaRose I have read the majority of posts on FWR which followed David Challenor's conviction for horrific crimes against a child and none have done what you accuse.

Mrbatmun · 03/09/2018 10:50

Kind of disgusting trying to blame someone who is only just out of her teens for crimes committed by a family member ...

Who is doing that?

People are questioning Aimee's appointment of her father as her election agent when she knew full well of the crimes he was awaiting trial for. And why the Green Party took so long to make any statement about it. And why the story of a man who was given 22 years (a long sentence by any stretch) for his crimes against a 10 year old wasn't more widely reported.

People have also raised concerns that David Challenor, a man who had been campaigning for self id and the erosion of sex segregated boundaries, was subsequently found guilty of these horrific crimes, and whether there is a link there.

Do keep up dear.

ShrodingersSturdyPyjamas · 03/09/2018 11:08

Kind of disgusting trying to blame someone who is only just out of her teens for crimes committed by a family member ...

They aren't.

However AC was responsible for blocking 50,000 mainly women on twitter and was very proud of getting many women [and men] booted off for daring to question the ethics of the Green Party.

Also, the BBC still hasn't reported the sentencing of a man for 22 years for rape and torture. Only slipped it in as an add on to AC's removal from the deputy leadership of the Green Party.