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Green Party thread 3

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FermatsTheorem · 30/08/2018 17:21

Previous thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3347925-Green-Party-statement-continuation-thread?pg=40

Will post links to AC's public statement and Caroline Lucas's appalling white wash job in a moment, but for me, Andrew Gilligan nails it yet again:
twitter.com/mragilligan/status/1034776005326581767

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Bowlofbabelfish · 01/09/2018 19:23

What I find extremely disturbing with all this is what it shows about individuals in positions of power AND the structures that should provide checks and balances.

Because it’s showing that those who make policy as individuals are either:

  1. Naive to the point of being unable to see what’s happening, indicating very poor judgement and lack of critical thought/cynicism
  2. Aware of the issues but too focused on personal gain to care
  3. Aware of the issues but too weak to stand up and speak out
  4. Actively on board with a very unpleasant ideology.

And on an institutional level it’s showing that:

  1. Checks and balances are not working
  2. There is massive pressure for those uneasy about things to not speak out
  3. The law is being flouted (replacing sex with gender in guidance for example)
  4. Nobody is doing their due diligence - either through incompetence, fear or worse, active neglect.

The combination of individual weakness/agendas and the climate of institutional fear and failure here is shocking. utterly shocking.

Trinity1976 · 01/09/2018 19:25

Out of interest, to those of you on this thread who have stated that you have cancelled your Green Party membership, how have you done so? Have you contacted the GP to say you wish to cancel or have you simply cancelled your direct debit?

I cancelled my DD yesterday, but I would like them to know why I have left. Have others emailed or written to them at all? What do people think is the best way? As a GP member I used to be quite active in my local party. On occasion I tried to contact the HQ for assistance when preparing for elections but I never received a response to emails. The complete disconnect between the national party and local parties was one of the reasons I lost interest.

I imagine if I emailed them about this issue it would disappear into the same black hole my other emails disappeared into.

gendercritter · 01/09/2018 19:30

Gosh the Twitter stuff about Aimee's relationships are disturbing. That you would document all that online when you have political ambitions. The Green Party have been so very very naive and stupid not spotting all of this. It reflects so badly on them. Kinks should be private affairs.

How can these grown adults have lost their heads so badly?

RedToothBrush · 01/09/2018 19:34

Trump is the consequence of a lack of safeguarding and politicians being more interested in their own political ambition.

How funny that the Greens have been replicating the same phenomenan.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/09/2018 19:39

Gosh the Twitter stuff about Aimee's relationships are disturbing. That you would document all that online when you have political ambitions

Aimee is coming across more and more as a very vulnerable adult (formerly a very vulnerable child) who sounds very much as if they may have been groomed by at least one of the individuals they are in a "relationship" with. It is also disturbing that Aimee's kink seems to be pretty much exactly the same as their fathers'.

theOtherPamAyres · 01/09/2018 19:44

Hi @Trinity1976

On the members' website there is a link to an FAQ "How do I leave?"
If you can't find it, then go to the members forum and raise a question.

Personally, I would send an email to my local party and copy in Green Party HQ. It is the local party that will be affected by your decision and wwill feel it more keenly than a 'work experience' student looking after incoming mail at Green party HQ.

arranfan · 01/09/2018 19:45

BowlofBabelfish wrote: What I find extremely disturbing with all this is what it shows about individuals in positions of power AND the structures that should provide checks and balances.

Your synopsis is wholly on point. Worryingly, it probably holds true for a number of lobbying organisations and political parties.

I'm thinking of the mess the young people were dropped into as part of the cynical shenanigans around the Brexit campaign and it seems they were manipulated into positions of power that left them with full accountability for the funding scandals but no authority or protection (unlike those who manoeuvred them into those roles).

jadefinch · 01/09/2018 19:46

twitter.com/doedoe90303811/status/1035907418570383360?s=21
This account is doing a great job of finding links between AC & some very disturbing people. The agenda AC was pushing in all of his political & advisory roles is no surprise when you know who his influences were.

SirVixofVixHall · 01/09/2018 19:46

The adult baby stuff, along with adult baby Dad, is very disturbing.

SirVixofVixHall · 01/09/2018 19:48

Agree jadefinch.

thebewilderness · 01/09/2018 19:51

LangCleg
Flowers
Is there a political party or a politician in the UK that not committed to the elimination of all safeguarding measures that protect women and children? In the name of equal rights, of course.
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." A proclamation by the pigs who control the government in the novel Animal Farm, by George Orwell."

ItsNotUnusualToBe · 01/09/2018 19:58

Is this sort of ‘kink’ really widespread? What are the statistical chances of a parent and child having the same kinks in an unrelated and spontaneous way?

I remain in awe of those who stand up for women, girls, safeguarding and sense.

Bowlofbabelfish · 01/09/2018 20:01

Exactly arranfan

I work in an industry where risk assessment is used a lot. I bang on ENDLESSLY about system failures and how they arise. People fuck up. they fuck up accidentally, they fuck up with good intent and with bad, they fuck up deliberately sometimes. You cannot stop that, humans are fallible. Always will be. You can reduce it but you can’t stop it.

But what you CAN do is put systems in place that recognise human fallibility, whether innocent or not, and which throw up checks and barriers to protect the system.

You can also create an institutional atmosphere that either stifles or exposes errors. I’ve worked places where CAPA analysis (root cause analysis) has been used and in one place it was changed from no fault (ie bring me your faults and fuck ups without fear of retribution, because we can learn from them) to one where it was used against people. Result? Within six months we had critical system failures because no one was bringing us faults to correct, they were trying to cover them up.

This whole affair shows failure at every level, from individuals to groups to the very culture of the party itself and society at large. It’s incredibly disturbing.

ecosomething · 01/09/2018 20:26

The appalling statement from Clare Phipps absolving Aimee Challenor of all responsibility on behalf of "Green Party Women" getting a roasting on their Facebook page m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1864624806987631&id=647628982020559

SirVixofVixHall · 01/09/2018 20:34

Catfromjapan and Langcleg, agree with everything you are saying.

ShrodingersSturdyPyjamas · 01/09/2018 20:52

This account is doing a great job of finding links between AC & some very disturbing people. The agenda AC was pushing in all of his political & advisory roles is no surprise when you know who his influences were

My gut feeling is that all this is already documented, a bit like Bradley being outed, when the time suits.

silentcrow · 01/09/2018 21:01

Josiah Mortimer of Left Foot Forward appears to be gunning for the Greens tonight - worth looking at his timeline. mobile.twitter.com/josiahmortimer

Those of you quitting the party, especially if you had a role beyond member, might consider getting in touch with him, maybe? The more evidence/outcry, the better.

arranfan · 01/09/2018 21:01

The appalling statement from Clare Phipps absolving Aimee Challenor of all responsibility on behalf of "Green Party Women" getting a roasting on their Facebook page

Judging by the references to deletion and invitations to edit or there will be further deletions, I predict that the independent investigator will eventually see only harmony and agreement in the comments rather than dissent and discord.

ecosomething · 01/09/2018 21:05

Just in
Green Party announces details of independent investigation
www.greenparty.org.uk/news/2018/09/01/green-party-announces-details-of-independent-investigation/

thecatfromjapan · 01/09/2018 21:09

At first glance, the investigation looks at individuals not structures.

That's a limit.

thecatfromjapan · 01/09/2018 21:11

Thanks for leaking ecosomethng

thecatfromjapan · 01/09/2018 21:12

'linking'

(I'm typing with polymyalgia and I have autocorrect - not a good combination.)

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/09/2018 21:13

Why no mention of Tina Challenor, another candidate using DC as their election agent?

CesiraAndEnrico · 01/09/2018 21:18

Anybody got the inside track on Verità ?

My ears pricked up at "progressive".

arranfan · 01/09/2018 21:27

Given that another candidate for leader of the GP is Shahrar Ali
who is highlighting his PhD in lies and deceit, I'm interested to see this Open Letter to his fellow candidates and some movement towards useful moral leadership from him. Open Letter