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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Stunning, brave translady is both stunning and brave

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CaitlynsCat · 28/08/2018 19:38

www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/decisions-led-dad-become-transgender-1944624

"As well as having made the huge decision to begin transgender treatment, Martin also decided that he would not hide any longer.

He would come out as a transgender woman - as Katie - in a way which was very publicly indeed.

Since then, he has been shouting his experiences from the rooftops via social media and local radio and – by and large – has received something of a hero’s welcome."

"Martin/Katie was not only heterosexual, he wanted a child.

He cut his hair, fell in love and the couple had a child together, who is the apple of his eye.

Then in May last year, Martin went to see a clairvoyant he had met at a business networking meeting.

“I went along for a reading because I’d never been to one and I was intrigued,” she says.

What she told him was that he needed to start a new way of being and said there was a part of him that had always been there but that he was not fully in integrity with."

"after that, my gender dysphoria increased dramatically – I was so desperate to identify myself I even Googled ‘what gender is Martin Neeves?’ ”

Desperate, confused and in turmoil, he joined a support group on social media and someone suggested he should see a specialist gender counsellor.

After four successful sessions, in which he says he "hit the ground running", he felt that he was "gender fluid" ("nature doesn’t do black and white, it presents a whole spectrum.")"

"Katie now says: “After counselling and working through therapy on how to identify your gender, I now know I am 70 percent female and 30 percent male.

"It was my fear stopping me from admitting I am actually a transgender woman.”

A second visit to the clairvoyant resulted in a four-hour clarification session using deep meditation and other methods as a way of encouraging and revealing inner truth, with all the answers coming from Martin."

"She looks wonderful and feels great. Her prescribed hormones have made her skin soft, and as a naturally slightly-built person, she has an enviable figure.

She counts herself lucky as many other transgender women are naturally of a heavy build.

Brave determination has paid off, she is happier and more relaxed than ever.

Katie’s name will not be considered for the long waiting list for the actual operation to make her into a woman sexually, until she has lived full-time for a woman as a year."

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terryleather · 29/08/2018 12:10

Has this particular trans woman done something specific to offend your feminist principles?

Where shall I start...

RatRolyPoly · 29/08/2018 12:11

Where shall I start...

With one single teensy thing?

TinyRick · 29/08/2018 12:13

They are up for a Woman's award when they have only been identifying as one for 8 months.

THAT is an affront.

LadybirdsAreBirds · 29/08/2018 12:13

What would we do without periodic reminders to be nice?

LadybirdsAreBirds · 29/08/2018 12:13

Disengage people.

terryleather · 29/08/2018 12:15

Come now Rat you know telling you why will get me deleted...you've been here long enough you know the reasons why so stop the disingenuous bs.

RatRolyPoly · 29/08/2018 12:16

THAT is an affront.

THAT is not their fault.

What would we do without periodic reminders to be nice?

Mate, I don't give a fuck how your parents raised you and what your own personal standards are for interacting with others, but this is a public forum and I'm standing up for my ethics and principles whenever I see fit. If you think they're something fundamentally wrong with treating people kindly I suggest there is in fact something wrong with you. In the nicest possible way, of course.

tiktok · 29/08/2018 12:16

ODFO, Roly. Among the (deserved) mockery, we learn this person has a wife and children whose feelings and reactions we are at least considering. We have also considered his siblings who inadvertently shared their clothing (eww).

We also learn that clairvoyance has been a diagnostic tool in discovering identity - why not take the piss out of such idiotic woo? It certainly would be anywhere else on the web.

We now learn that this person is up for a woman’s award 🙄. This directly affects the success of someone with real female obstacles who now will not have a place. Not fair.

And it’s the clear kink being presented as brave and heroic adoption of real identity that fully deserves mockery and irritation.

TheCountryGirl · 29/08/2018 12:17

Yes let's all be nice while men appropriate us and fetishise our oppression. And let's say nothing as they broadcast this in the newspapers. Ffs when will people STOP lecturing women and telling us how to behave?

RatRolyPoly · 29/08/2018 12:17

you've been here long enough you know the reasons why so stop the disingenuous bs

Yes, I know why terry, it's because they're trans. That is their crime. That is the stimulus for all this mockery. The very principle of their transgenderism.

Attack the principle, by all means; I'll even debate it with you, all day long. But to attack the individual for nothing more than their being trans is wrong.

TheCountryGirl · 29/08/2018 12:20

Rat, your disgusting passive aggression in your last post was pretty nasty. Bringing in someone's parents?🤨 You seem to be the LAST person who should lecture anyone on being nice.

tiktok · 29/08/2018 12:21

No one is attacking anyone for being trans, ffs.

It’s the attention seeking.

It’s the lack of consideration for other family members.

It’s the ridiculous involvement of clairvoyance in diagnostics.

It’s the narcissistic self regard with no self awareness.

It’s the presentation of kink as heroics.

And did I mention the attention seeking?

That do you?

TinyRick · 29/08/2018 12:21

THAT is not their fault

Don't see them saying 'thanks but I can not accept it' ¯\(ツ)

LadybirdsAreBirds · 29/08/2018 12:22

Rat

I'm not you mate, love.

RatRolyPoly · 29/08/2018 12:24

Yeah, I've had a bit of a moment lately TheCountry where I'm sick and tired of watching massive beatings on here and never rolling my sleeves up. It wasn't passive aggressive mind you, I thought it was pretty up front if I'm honest.

And I bring in their parents because being nice is not just something society wants women to be, it is something parents want their children to be. To reject it is to forget that actually society should want everyone to be nice, just like our parents do, because nice is not the problem. The patriarchy doesn't give us an excuse to go around being massive arseholes to people when it totally isn't justified.

Branleuse · 29/08/2018 12:24

at age 3 he started to cross dress??

Does that mean my dd was a cross dresser from birth as I kept her brothers babygros

RatRolyPoly · 29/08/2018 12:24

I'm not you mate, love.

How very predictable. Did you have to think long on that one?

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RatRolyPoly · 29/08/2018 12:27

That do you?

Oh yeah, all those things are totally what feminism is about for me, right on, of course it is.

Feminism = don't be attention seeking, be super considerate of your family members all the time, don't pursue your own religious or spiritual interests, maintain a dutifully humble level of low self-esteem, right off all your life's obstacles , if they in some way relate to your sexuality, oh, and don't draw attention to yourself!!!

That's feminism is it? Sounds mightily like the patriarchy to me.

TinyRick · 29/08/2018 12:28

Rat How come I don't see you on this thread? So much misgendering on it...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3349579-This-is-NOT-a-woman?msgid=80589949#80589949

Dommina · 29/08/2018 12:29

I agree with you rat.

I'm pretty on the fence with the GC stuff -
it's this kind of nastiness which makes sure I will never be full blown GC.

Katie has done nothing wrong. She's getting on with her life and she's happy. As rat said, debate and challenge the principles of gender. Attacking individuals is nasty.

RatRolyPoly · 29/08/2018 12:30

I've only just popped back along to the Fem boards Tiny, and mostly just to fight for team Katie who is taking a wholly unwarranted kicking for simply being trans.

ALittleBitofVitriol · 29/08/2018 12:32

If a person publishes their risible story, then the public will comment on said inanity.

You can't shame me for finding the ludicrous, ludicrous.

terryleather · 29/08/2018 12:32

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birdbandit · 29/08/2018 12:35

I have a problem with this individual prioritising their desire to have a child, over being honest with their partner. A partner who will only get to see the child she bore for 50% of the time, one the "truth" is out and if they divorce.

That's not a trans issue, that's a person being a selfish arse issue.

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