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Stunning, brave translady is both stunning and brave

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CaitlynsCat · 28/08/2018 19:38

www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/decisions-led-dad-become-transgender-1944624

"As well as having made the huge decision to begin transgender treatment, Martin also decided that he would not hide any longer.

He would come out as a transgender woman - as Katie - in a way which was very publicly indeed.

Since then, he has been shouting his experiences from the rooftops via social media and local radio and – by and large – has received something of a hero’s welcome."

"Martin/Katie was not only heterosexual, he wanted a child.

He cut his hair, fell in love and the couple had a child together, who is the apple of his eye.

Then in May last year, Martin went to see a clairvoyant he had met at a business networking meeting.

“I went along for a reading because I’d never been to one and I was intrigued,” she says.

What she told him was that he needed to start a new way of being and said there was a part of him that had always been there but that he was not fully in integrity with."

"after that, my gender dysphoria increased dramatically – I was so desperate to identify myself I even Googled ‘what gender is Martin Neeves?’ ”

Desperate, confused and in turmoil, he joined a support group on social media and someone suggested he should see a specialist gender counsellor.

After four successful sessions, in which he says he "hit the ground running", he felt that he was "gender fluid" ("nature doesn’t do black and white, it presents a whole spectrum.")"

"Katie now says: “After counselling and working through therapy on how to identify your gender, I now know I am 70 percent female and 30 percent male.

"It was my fear stopping me from admitting I am actually a transgender woman.”

A second visit to the clairvoyant resulted in a four-hour clarification session using deep meditation and other methods as a way of encouraging and revealing inner truth, with all the answers coming from Martin."

"She looks wonderful and feels great. Her prescribed hormones have made her skin soft, and as a naturally slightly-built person, she has an enviable figure.

She counts herself lucky as many other transgender women are naturally of a heavy build.

Brave determination has paid off, she is happier and more relaxed than ever.

Katie’s name will not be considered for the long waiting list for the actual operation to make her into a woman sexually, until she has lived full-time for a woman as a year."

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RatRolyPoly · 29/08/2018 12:37

That's not a trans issue, that's a person being a selfish arse issue.

Not actually a feminist issue then.

birdbandit · 29/08/2018 12:38

Also, not massively impressed with this individual winning "woman's" awards, after crossdressing for 8 months.

Again, this isn't a transphobic response, this is a "that person is an arrogant twonk if they imagine they are qualified to apply/receive an award for which they are less experienced than other candidates" response.

littlbrowndog · 29/08/2018 12:39

This person getting a woman’s award ffs

That is plain wrong

It was nicked off a woman

Martin even say that Martin is only like 70% woman

How does that work ?

birdbandit · 29/08/2018 12:39

My humanity and morality isn't restricted to only responding to what you define as a feminist issue.

tiktok · 29/08/2018 12:40

Now we have Rat proclaiming Martin/Katie as a fighter against patriarchy .....

Rat - this person has no regard for his female relatives. Women do not parade kink as heroics - fetishes which require the compliance and approbation of women (as this one does) are part of patriarchal, oppressive behaviours.

RatRolyPoly · 29/08/2018 12:41

This person getting a woman’s award ffs

Take it up with the awarding body if you're so het up about it.

It's not Katie's fault that she was given an award. She believes she's entitled to receive it in line with having been awarded it - I think that's quire reasonable of her. If you have such a super duper problem with her getting this award, start a massive long thread slagging off the awarder. What the fuck has Katie got to do with it, other than not sacrificing her award on the basis of your principles?

littlbrowndog · 29/08/2018 12:43

Nopes don’t tell me what to do

RatRolyPoly · 29/08/2018 12:44

My humanity and morality isn't restricted to only responding to what you define as a feminist issue.

I wouldn't suggest that it was, it's just entirely transparent to me that this trans person is getting a massive ad hominem kicking on the feminism board. I didn't realise feminism took a specific dislike to low profile trans individuals these days, I stupidly thought the issue was one of safeguarding women and girls.

RatRolyPoly · 29/08/2018 12:44

Nopes don’t tell me what to do

Wouldn't dream of it, but if you want to change the world you need to talk to the organ grinder not the monkey.

SPOFS · 29/08/2018 12:44

@RatRolyPoly @terryleather

I hope you will be policing all of the threads that discuss people in news articles? Mumsnet gets a lot of threads on celebs, such as Meghan Markle, Jordan, Holly Willoughby, and so forth. Will you also be policing those threads?

frogintheTyne · 29/08/2018 12:44

It's katies fault to accept the award.

Anyone with scruples would say thank you politely and then turn down and award which they knew wasn't appropriate or meant for them.

birdbandit · 29/08/2018 12:45

Also, and again it is not a transphobic response, to view publishing and promoting lying to your partner, and talking about your soft body in the local press, as being a bit clatty.

That's a person prioritising their PR over any possible impact on their kids. Their child will read that one day.

I feel the same way about any individual who priorities promoting themselves, over the possible impact on their kids, because they want the validation of fame.

RatRolyPoly · 29/08/2018 12:45

Will you also be policing those threads?

I express my views right across Mumsnet on all topics I feel inclined to post on.

littlbrowndog · 29/08/2018 12:46

U did just tell me what to do

Dont

birdbandit · 29/08/2018 12:46

So you see no safeguarding concerns for their child?

Because kids are resilient?

Have a trans Biscuit

RatRolyPoly · 29/08/2018 12:47

Sure, whatevs littl.

RatRolyPoly · 29/08/2018 12:48

So you see no safeguarding concerns for their child?

And you're -making this shit up out of nowhere reading this where?

littlbrowndog · 29/08/2018 12:48

Good

birdbandit · 29/08/2018 12:49

Rat Is a regular, don't bother.

birdbandit · 29/08/2018 12:51

Kids in the playground taking the piss?

The child not being allowed to control how and at what pace their friends learn about his/her father?

The child's mental health?

The child's sense of the reality they had 8 months ago, compared to what everyone knows today?

birdbandit · 29/08/2018 12:53

Are they not valid concerns?

Please remember this isn't an exposé, but an advert.

seafret · 29/08/2018 12:55

My earliest memory is when I was about three, I preferred to wear my sister’s knickers, not realising this was anything to bother about – until mum found out and chastised me

So the little boy was shocked and shamed (narcisstically wounded?) by his mother. This is precisely the age that these kind of identity/ attachment damages occur and can have lasting pyschological consequences (obviously).

We understand now that a healthier reaction from the mother would have been to say, it is no big deal but you have ones that are a different shape for your boy's body. And not be be ashamed that her little boy likes different colours, or to be affected by her fear that he won't grow up to be 'a real man' or somesuch.

I think that misplaced and misattributed issues with shame are so deeply linked with trans issues, that from their/ a MH perspective, that they want the world to stop shaming them is kind of understandable. But of course the world is not necessarily shaming them, they feel deep internal shame that they externalise and misunderstand and the shame become obsession/ fetish/identity crisis.

That is not to say that everyone else has to faciltate their issues - the opposite. We cannot help but reflect reality to them and they need therapy not unquestioning validation. I wish the rest of the world would wake up.

How anyone can expect to be taken seriously when they think they ar 70% female and 30% male is beyond me. Men with an agenda will buy into this though.

Up for a women's award? Disgusting.

JaneJeffer · 29/08/2018 12:56

All I could hear as I read those quotes was Keith Lemon's voice Grin

birdbandit · 29/08/2018 12:58

I have two meetings set up with my kids new class teachers next week, to prep them as to how to help support my kids, who are dealing with similar cockfoolery here.

My eldest, who we thought was doing ok, saw a pic of his father online, and it has set him spiralling again. It's not fair, the kids didn't ask to be born into lies and narcissism.

TeaForDad · 29/08/2018 13:00

The interesting thing here is how this person has got so much attention for a minor activity. Looking on their Google they are getting award nominations and interviews from people bending over backwards to be "progressive" which is ridiculous and entirely game for discussion here

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