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Green Party statement

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Destinysdaughter · 25/08/2018 17:13

Sorry it’s so tiny, I screenshotted it on my phone from Twitter! It’s a bit mealy mouthed...

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PutItAwayDear · 25/08/2018 17:42

Three members of the Green Party knew about it at least and made the decision to cover it up. That stinks.

PutItAwayDear · 25/08/2018 17:43

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LadybirdsAreBirds · 25/08/2018 17:45

Perma

I wanted to acknowledge your post. I want to say that I hear what you say and I believe you.

I am so angry about this

I

LadybirdsAreBirds · 25/08/2018 17:48

Will this be deleted? I want this thread to stand. It desperately needs saying

happydappy2 · 25/08/2018 17:50

The Police will interview & investigate Aimee-its really not for us to make assumptions regarding this.
Even though they are actively campaigning to allow men into women's spaces-which is not ok-& the whole Terfblocker thing shows them in a bad light imho.

LadybirdsAreBirds · 25/08/2018 17:51

Happydapply

Yes. These are not unrelated things. We aren't stupid

TwistedStitch · 25/08/2018 17:57

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Permaexhaustion · 25/08/2018 17:59

I don't mean A as victim of A's father's depravity. I mean a victim in a broader sense.

Sorry, getting inarticulate, this has cut deep for me.

We don't know if A even knew that her father was going to court, or knew what the charges were.
And even if A did know, I would suggest that the denial involved in disbelieving was the product of the dysfunctional family.Again, not As fault.
Families where there have been previous care proceedings , even when healthy compared to this family, often react by denial, closing ranks, right it's us against the malevolent world. This aspect too may have been a factor.

A might have known, or might not have known even that A's father was due in court. We'll probably never know.

Due diligence from the Green-eyed I thought this too, but , you know, election agent , whilst having some legal info duties, isn't a big role ,would be voluntary in a small party. Should they have googled every member of a candidate s family? Maybe. But apart from the animal stuff, which I haven't seen, there wasn't a lot. Googling with 20/20 hindsight is easy. If the GP had noticed a somewhat dysfunctional family background, should that have barred a candidate?

Should that bar me?

But then, I'm so much older and probably tougher than A. Perhaps all should be wary of young candidates. And more protective towards them. Not just A, but others who almost certainly wouldn't be in the positions they are in if they were natal young women. The parties and organisations who seem to feel little duty to the young and vunerable have a lot to answer for.

picklemepopcorn · 25/08/2018 18:00

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picklemepopcorn · 25/08/2018 18:01

Perma, don't you think the police would have interviewed A about the family, her experiences, and her evidence concerning these crimes? Surely police would I terrier other children in the house where child abuse took place?

picklemepopcorn · 25/08/2018 18:02

*interview

thecatfromjapan · 25/08/2018 18:02

TwistedStitch So the party had no awareness of this at all until sentencing? And they still have this house listed as the contact address for the local branch.

thecatfromjapan · 25/08/2018 18:06

I don't think it's fair to speculate about the children.

I know, I know. I ask the same questions in my head, with the same (obvious) answers.

But it's not OK.

David Challenor was clearly dangerously abusive. We know how that works. We cannot risk further perpetrating an abuse of any children involved. They have all been so badly let down.

Popchyk · 25/08/2018 18:08

The revised statement to put in the gender-based violence is shameful.

And I'm not happy about the "Our thoughts are with all those who have been affected as a result of these offences".

Been affected as a result of these offences? They mean Aimee, not the child who was raped.

Otherwise they'd have said "Our thoughts are with those who suffered these offences".

BarrackerBarmer · 25/08/2018 18:12

Challenor Jr is an adult, and in a position of political power.

There is noone in politics who could get away with actively returning to live in a house with an accused child molester awaiting trial and appointing that molester as election agent.

For pity's sake, seperate out sympathies for the child that Challenor Jr once was and judge this person as the adult politician this person is today and the actions chosen as an adult in a position of power.

There is a real, female, child victim, and she has had to watch her abuser and abuser's adult offspring living and working together in the house in which she was tortured, and building a political campaign from that house that involved silencing women and lobbying to remove child safeguarding. Whilst Challenor senior called her, the victim, a fantasist and the potential future deputy leader of the Green Party supported him.

A damaged childhood is not a free pass to destroying lives from political platforms.

Some things are unforgivable. A future deputy leader of a political party supporting a repugnant child torturer in his house of crime over believing the child victim is abominable.

And the Green Party are "supporting Aimee"? After all this?

They are devoid of integrity, devoid of morals, devoid of compassion.

happydappy2 · 25/08/2018 18:13

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LadybirdsAreBirds · 25/08/2018 18:13

Perma

Most people who do terrible things had bad childhoods. Most people who had terrible childhoods do not do bad things. It’s what we do as adults that defines us.

There’s a good video from Lisa muggeridge about the party’s failure to see the vulnerability of AC , LM and JS. Will try and find

LadybirdsAreBirds · 25/08/2018 18:15

Popchyk

Yes, I mentioned that. Just what are they implying?...

thecatfromjapan · 25/08/2018 18:17

Popchyk Yes. That was definitely the vibe I had from the statement.

I'm also wondering who put it together.

The slowness of its release suggests they were hoping this would all fly under the radar.

Two releases, late on a Saturday, is very unprofessional: whoever put it together hadn't the first clue as to how shit the first one sounded, and the second isn't a lot better.

It actually reads like a bit of ass-covering by an organisation that a. Doesn't understand or recognise the gravity of the offences b. Recognise any responsibility for the part they have played in those offences c. Is counting on media inattention to evade any on-going fallout and impact of all this.

I'm really quite cross.

Sarahconnor1 · 25/08/2018 18:20

BarrackerBarmer

Excellent post.

GetAwayFromHer · 25/08/2018 18:22

I have written to a publication to ask them to get some proper investigative journnalism onto this

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TwistedStitch · 25/08/2018 18:22

Well said BarrackBarmer.

pachyderm · 25/08/2018 18:24

I saw a photo of their house. It's TINY.

BarrackerBarmer · 25/08/2018 18:27

And although I am glad of Mumsnet, and feel huge gratitude towards the mods and the work they do, I just want to say how frustrated I am at having to rewrite my posts removing truthful phrases like 'adult son' and 'he' because of talk rules.

An actual girl, a child, was horrifically abused and I'm censored from saying "this is what the abuser's adult son has done in the wake of the accusations, and what the victim has has had to watch unfold.

It's bad enough tripping over stupid pronouns on a thread about toilets. But my god, it is damned near abusive to threaten women with censorship for calling a goddamned adult mysogynist paedophile-supporting man a man, just because he wants us to pretend he is a woman, and you've decided to enable that misogynist powerplay at the expense of women, integrity and the fucking truth.

Grow a pair of ovaries Mumsnet hq. I'm sick of hearing about the fine line you're treading. Stuff is serious now and time is running out. The line should be the truth, and you should be standing firm on the right side of it with women, not tiptoeing along it for as long as men allow you to.

There is no balance to be sought between truth and a huge hairybollocked lie. Stop trying to balance them.
Let us start speaking the truth without deleting our words.

Please.

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