We are different

[askingquestionsisok]

Is it wrong if me to feel like there are differences between men and women and that's what makes us human?

Aside from equal pay debate (I believe same job, same pay) and similar- I do believe that there are inherent, natural differences between men and women. But it doesn't seem ok to think this or say it anymore?!

I also feel like a lot of 'feminists' use that umbrella to man- bash. Don't get me wrong, I have known a good few awful men, I've also known a good few awful women. We can't tar everyone with the same brush?!

Thoughts?

There is still the Girls Brigade which I got kicked out of at 15

Thank-you askingquestionsisok, I am genuinely here to learn so would rather those that are way more educated than me did engage with us mere 'women'

@YeTalkShiteHen

I actually have been sexually harassed by a woman, as a teenager. And everyone thought it was so funny! I didn't.

Throwing insults isn’t helping OP. Actually I think you’ve had a lot of decent responses.

It's unfortunate that so many of you

There it is.

On second thoughts, given the time of day, I might settle for popcorn.

I’m sure you didn’t find it funny. Because it wasn’t funny.

Yes, of course some women are capable of doing terrible things. Child abuse, sex offences, domestic abuse, violent offences and murder.

But look at the statistics and you’ll see that it is by far and away more likely to be a man. By a considerable distance.

Toxic masculinity is a problem.

askingquestionsisok

It must really hurt, no? Having to button up what it is you really want to say and accuse women of.

It's got to give you a stomachache.

neverbeenafeminisy Interesting isn't it, that the differences you see between sexes in everyday life are so incredibly clear, yet can not be identified at the genetic level!

This to me shows how dominant and pervasive gender stereotyping is.

I have mentioned this before, but there was a study of toddlers in a nursery. The staff rated the children agaiant a set of characteristics such as "lively", "active, "caring". Even in those youngest children, sex differences were obvious. The girls were behaving like girls, playing with dolls , the boys were running about.

A new set of staff was brought in. The experiment repeated.the same results.

However, it was then revealed that in the second test, the "girls" were actually the boys in girls clothes, and vice versa.

I.e. In the first test Anna would be called caring, in the second test Anna dressed in boys clothes would be called boisterous.

Our Gender preconceptions influence how we perceive behaviour and how we interact with others.

yet look so ugly when speaking to other beautiful women.

fixed that for you OP.

You're welcome.

@YeTalkShiteHen

I've had some great responses and many comments have made me want to learn more....

But some of you are just not very nice people!

From the majority of this thread...I have learnt that feminism seems to be about ridiculing people who don't think the same as you. In a thread of (I guess mostly) women- I don't feel empowered, supported or taught. Congrats ladies.

Oh dear god. I'm astonished at the assumption that you can post on FWR, call feminists bitter man haters and say you don't really see the need for feminism, and then get pissy about the fact that some of the regulars have no patience with your rudeness and aren't falling over themselves to fawn over you.

Fwiw, I've only just very, very recently come to the decision that I am a Feminist, which has had a lot to with life experience and learning things I just didn't know when I was younger and didn't really understand what Feminism was.

In answer to your OP, yes, men and women are biologically different. They have very different bodies, hormonal balances, strength and all that jazz. What you have observed and have described as gendered traits 'in general' are actually stereotypes that you have noticed because you yourself come from a culture which has already taught you those stereotypes. It's not any more complicated than. I'm happy to chat with you about these things, but if you don't want the regulars here to have you, metaphorically, for breakfast, you and the other new posters on the thread would do well to drop all the pejorative 'man haters' snideness.

- I don't feel empowered, supported or taught. Congrats ladies.

Well maybe that's because you're a bloke.

Midgebabe

The one I heard about that I loved was an experiment where crawling babies were made to crawl down a slope. Mothers were asked to rate the skill of their baby and the risk. Mothers of girls on average overestimated the risk and underestimated the capability of their baby. Mothers of boys did the opposite.

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If you say it three times while looking in a mirror the devil will appear...

@FloralBunting

I don't think I said there was no point to feminism? I think there is a point, I believe that we should be treated equal. I was asking if it's ok to believe that some traits are inherent.

I think that of all the posters on FWR, Datun explains things very well, and in a well thought out and positive way.

If you’ve managed to piss her off OP, I’m afraid that’s your own fault.

I just found this linked from the Public Service Announcement thread.

When your actual argument is being used as the actual example of an irritating Internet trope maybe it's time to bone up on your technique? ?

"Concern trolling
Whether deliberately or not, a number of trolls decide to couch their criticism in what they pretend are genuine concerns. It could be suggesting that an overweight person go on a diet because of the health benefits – when in fact they just want to call them fat – or saying that they dislike the tactics of feminists because they’re too militant. If only they’d be more polite, the concern troll argues, they’d get further with their goals, when in reality, the likelihood is the troll holds a totally opposing viewpoint. Such an approach, called tone policing, is one part of the concern troll’s toolkit.

They’re a classic wolf in sheep’s clothing, pretending to be an ally when actually they’re often the most virulent enemy. The best way to deal with them is the classic method of handling any troll: ignore them. If you must respond, cut them off at the knees."

I don't know how to prove to you all that I'm not a bloke...

I was asking if it's ok to believe that some traits are inherent.

You can believe what you like.

We would rather stick to evidence, genetic science and behavioural studies.

Regardless of this post or the subject- some of you just speak so horribly to each other!

Good grief have you seen how people talk to each other on other social media? I have never seen death/rape threats here, things that are common elsewhere. It is almost as if a group of women talking about important issues is being held to higher standards than others.

As to the Cake/breakfast stuff, I can see how it might seem rude and dismissive. But think about it this way: if there was a group of women who met IRL with the express intention of discussing feminism, and if on a regular basis people came to that group and criticised those women and their beliefs, so that the women attending found that their voices in support of feminism were drowned out by the voices critical of it, do think those women should just "be nice"? Or would they quite reasonably reach the point where they just can't be bothered to put up with the criticism any more?

the @ing is a giveaway too. Show they've spent too much time on Twatter

MIdgebabe I take your point that maybe the differences I see are caused by an internal bias (gender stereotyping) but then there is 'research' that seems to back up innate differences, the awful things done by John Money for one.

I don't have Twitter, or any other social media. I don't know how to use Instagram or snapchat. I am a woman.

askingquestionsisok

I really don't care if you're a bloke or not.

What you are is ignorant and irritating.

Do you have any idea how many (largely) men, although a lot of youngsters, come on here with exactly the same posts that you are writing?

Zillions.

It's tedious.