We are different

[askingquestionsisok]

Is it wrong if me to feel like there are differences between men and women and that's what makes us human?

Aside from equal pay debate (I believe same job, same pay) and similar- I do believe that there are inherent, natural differences between men and women. But it doesn't seem ok to think this or say it anymore?!

I also feel like a lot of 'feminists' use that umbrella to man- bash. Don't get me wrong, I have known a good few awful men, I've also known a good few awful women. We can't tar everyone with the same brush?!

Thoughts?

@VickyEadie did you have anything to add apart from telling us about your less than desirable breakfast?

See I like Weetabix with hot milk and sugar on the top. I can eat two though.

I do like microwave porridge (with sugar).

I don't have sugar in anything else except cakes and coffee (just the one in coffee)

I have noticed that Mumsnet has put up a very helpful video concerning poaching eggs in a microwave.

It's quite obvious that I'm denying I take sugar.

I don't normally eat Weetabix at all, but some threads give me an overwhelming craving for them.

@Datun my bikini body is always ready. Because I like it that way.** I assume you're trying to insinuate that a man has told me that that is what I should concentrate on- nope!

Weetabix with butter! University halls, mid 60s! Thanks for the memory.

y I don't spend enough time on Mumsnet to get it...too busy ironing tea towels, crying and fluffing up cushions I guess.

You were the one who said all this is innate, not us!

The logic of MRAs never ceases to amaze me.

Bikini body is a term thought up by men though!

Unless it’s the kind of bikini body where you buy a bikini and put it on irrespective of what kind of figure you have.

Hi there,

I definitely agree with you that nearly all men are stronger than nearly all women. You will find noone here who disagrees with you on this!

I've got lots of doubts as to whether there are inbuilt differences in how emotional the two sexes are - I think that's more to do with how we are socialised.

What people on here object to is the idea that clearly social things (girls being drawn to pink) are natural when we know they aren't.

Does that help?

@askingquestionsisok I agree totally..there are so many woman who call themselves "feminists" and they just make a mockery of what it stand for. They simply use it as an excuse to have a go at men and its embarrassing for them.
I too have known some horrible men who are chauvinistic and arrogant, but I have been exposed to more women who try to drag down their fellow woman. Whether it be being a SAHM or a working mum, the way they dress, the way they look, the job they do, how they got their job.....it's awful
Men and woman are different, feminism is not about them being the same, but about being treated as an equal. I wish a lot of women ( especially on here ) realised the difference and did not stick their bitterness under the "feminism " umbrella

askingquestionsisok "I agree".

That's us bitter feminists put well in our place, isn't it?

Anyway - on the subject of Weetabix...

'Bikini body'. Nothing to do with exploitation of gender stereotypes in order to extract money.

No, no. Nothing to see here.

The only thing I can do better than men is look pretty, says the seven-year-old.

But that's because she wants to. Got it

Can I just say that I've had two threads where people assumed I was acting in bad faith/a "handmaiden" etc and I found the teasing stuff really unpleasant.

If you believe the OP is just a shitstirrer or not genuine in some way can't you just say "I'm not going to answer because I don't believe you are genuine"?

also, if the OP is known to you as being fake, can we just say so so that the rest of us don't waste time thinking and answering?

Regardless of this post or the subject- some of you just speak so horribly to each other!
Is that feminism?

Is it really all because of social brainwashing or is it ok to believe that perhaps we have some of these traits genetically.

You'll believe what you wish.
However, if you are genuinely interested in the truth, you'll look to find evidence that disproves rather than supports your pet theory, and you'll evaluate it to see if it is robust. You'll look for experiments designed to eliminate social influences and see what remains. You'll probe those very experiments and the way they are constructed to see if they themselves introduce researcher bias or flawed design, or if the conclusions are really even supported by the results.

Or you can stick with "I feel that...." conjecture and supposition.

Frankly I find it exceptionally bad mannered to come onto a feminist board and ask other women to account for themselves because you don't see any need for feminism.

Ruuude.

@askingquestionsisok, haha , you probably spend a perfectly healthy amount of time on here. Just ignore all the stupid post with the "inclusive" jokes or comments. Unfortunately with a perfectly acceptable opening post you do tend to get the brigade on who want to turn it into something different. I get exactly what you mean.
Unfortunately I think this will now turn into the gender neutral row, But back to your post I also have never experienced sexism in any of my job roles or personal life, I don't think a wolf whistle is a Hanging offence and I have seen more high powered women be sexist with junior men than the other way around.
Yeah I love it that I am different from a man, and I want to be treated differently in certain respects. I quite like a chair being pulled out for me or opening the passenger side car door for me. I like my hubby being physically bigger and stronger than me, it doesn't make me less of an equal in any way.

If you believe the OP is just a shitstirrer or not genuine in some way can't you just say "I'm not going to answer because I don't believe you are genuine"?

We could. But then there would be literally nowhere where a group of women with a shared underlying philosophy of radical feminism could go to talk about cake. And we like cake.

Although I see it's moved onto breakfast cereal, which is essentially cardboard, and I am disappointed by that. I just...I thought we were better than that is all.

Tigger001

That's lovely for you. And you obviously enjoy it.

Feminism is a political movement, eliminating the disadvantages that women encounter in a chauvinistic society.

It's got very little to do with whether or not you like your chair pulled out.

But you might want to reflect on the fact that you wouldn't be able to post on here it wasn't for feminism. And you wouldn't have a job in which to criticise your female boss.

No genetically driven traits beyond the physical obvious have been identified as belonging significantly to either sex.

It is ok to say there are physical differences. I think most women would agree with that

The argument that ther may be other genetically linked traits is factually incorrect, so it is hard to take in good faith anyone who suggests that such traits exist.

It is better and more accurate to judge on capability rather than generalisation

In some cases generalisation is however necessary. Not all men are rapists but enough are than it is worth separating men from women in some circumstances. Men tend to be stronger, so separating male and female footballers is a good idea.

And weetabix is better soggy.

They simply use it as an excuse to have a go at men

When men stop being the perpetrators of the majority of sexual and physical violence in the world, I'll stop "having a go at men" for their aggression and sexual entitlement. Deal?

Wanting men to stop raping and battering and killing women, children, and each other is labeled "bitterness". You'd be bitter if you'd been through the level of sexual assault and harassment I've been through.

Stealth boast alert/trigger:

I can poach perfect eggs in simmering water.

I'm not a witch and I'm not a bitter feminist either.

I do sit down to pee though. Is that a difference?

Regardless of this post or the subject- some of you just speak so horribly to each other!
Is that feminism?

That's it in a nutshell yeah. There's a couple of other buis but it essentially boils down to me calling Datun a raddled man hating hag and then her coming round to mine and putting dogshit through my letterbox.

That's feminism for you.

How do you know a man is a rapist though?

When he attempts, or does rape you.

@Datun Oohh I think you misunderstand my point, I completely understand the movement and how important it was and I completely respect everything that stands for. What I don't respect is woman who use feminism in completely the wrong context and use it to degrade men and miss the point completely. The movement wasn't so women would be the same as the men, it was so woman would be treated as equal to men.
All these feminist women, go take a look at even how you treat each other on here then come back flying the flag