Janice Turner in the Times - outstanding article

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Excellent article about Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria, girls and the recent research published by Lisa Littman. Janice has nailed it!

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Agreed. It really nails it. Let's see how much abuse Janice will now get in comparison to Jonathon Best's also quite excellent article.

Brilliant. Thanks for the share Enough

Fantastic piece.

Amazing work Janice

Thank you for sharing enough! I am honestly in love with Janice Turner's writing on this subject, and her general attitude.
THANK YOU JANICE!

I’ve looked into this research. Apparently responses were only sought from four websites of parents believing a very specific viewpoint. Also, there were no responses from young people themselves. I’m not sure that can be considered scientific to be honest?

Nothing to do with the child’s perception. The child’s perception is obviously compromised. Trust the parents responses. Most of the parents are or were very liberal. Remember back in the day when mental health professionals listened to the parents and used their insight to help form opinion. This still stands. The kids truth is not necessarily the truth. It is important to have other concerned people to be a true historian when trying to diagnose. Of course the child’s perspective would be beneficial but just cause it wasn’t available it does not negate an observed account. Their kids all suddenly came out as trans with no prior hint. They say I didn’t say anything because I was repressed.seriously is this a response from a child or from an adult who is putting words into their mouth. I got this from my child. Trans template talk. Lucky for me I know all these strategies as I researched everything. I can tell you what my child says and then I can look at the parents who describe RoGD and think this is the same. It is the same because this is what the narrative says.
Only 4 websites. I reckon that’s a pretty good sample. Especially when one of these websites has 1000 parents. If you included the partner of the parent on this site this equates to 2000. If you then ask aunts, uncles, siblings, grandparents then you are talking more than 10000. I think this is a good sample. Anecdotal evidence is valid when seen in such a large quantity.

Thanks for sharing
Great comment as always from silverlady

"The trans movement is mainly led by trans women, who never experienced the maelstrom of female puberty, its intense but fleeting certainties. Some transitioned late after fathering children. What do they care about the fertility of troubled girls? Meanwhile LGBT groups such as Stonewall lobby to expedite hormones and surgery, rather than urge diagnostic caution."

Exactly

Yes. Exactly describes my family's experience. My kid binged on reassignment surgeries online too. Weirdo.

Mine had been binging on trans youtubers.

Another great article Janice - thank you for continuing to fight to open up the debate on these issues. As with my comment on James Kirkup’s most recent article, you are doing important work & I thank you for it.

Great article

Are we allowed to quote Times comments here? I'll report my post if it's not okay, but as waddle said above, this comment from silver lady is worth highlighting-

"Thank you Janice. It is high time that all those involved in this unethical medical experimentation on children and adolescents are held to account. We have the age of consent for good reasons and restrict young people from doing all sorts of things where society considers they are too young to comprehend the consequences. Yet this government actively funds transgender organisations to go into schools and sell this to children.

The damage that is being done to them is heartbreaking. Teenagers are always so certain that they are right and are so vulnerable to those who mislead and 'groom' them into self harming behaviours. Ironically these same people advocate that adults merely 'self identify' as the opposite sex. No drugs or surgery for the majority of them. Utterly hypocritical.

It says it all about the dismal quality of our politicians and their lack of care for young people that they stand idly by while this major scandal unfolds in front of our eyes. When these young people mature and realise the consequences for their future, as Janice so clearly lays out, their rage, distress and despair will know no bounds. Tragically it is these children that will bear the consequences and not those individuals, organisations and politicians cynically and selfishly promoting medical experimentation on children."

Thank you once again, Janice. But it's time to get all your GC colleagues to speak out too.

Fantastic article. Great tweet on this subject too from psychotherapist Lisa Marchiano, addressing criticisms of the study's methodology.

In the same way that Kristina Olson’s first paper on socially transitioned young children with good mental health showed that these kids exist, Littman’s paper shows that adolescents and young adults with ROGD exist. 1/
Both are descriptive studies and cannot address prevalence or cause and effect. Both rely on parent report of their children. Both rely on targeted recruitment and therefore are not representative of the general population (and are not meant to be). 2/
If someone is denying the existence of socially transition young children w good mental health or of AYAs with ROGD, based on the first descriptive studies of each (Kristina Olson has follow up studies now), they’d have to accuse all the parents of lying. Fin

twitter.com/LisaMarchiano/status/1030517601707995137

Really good article.

Good article. I agree with Janice Turner - the damage being done to vulnerable young people is terrible. Why are they being used as guinea pigs here?

Thank you so much for another great article Janice. Thank you for standing up for women and girls

Fantastic article! Thank you Janice.

Great article & comments show huge support for her-note the activists can’t spout their normal twitter rubbish on an open forum like The Times as they would look ridiculous.

On the one hand you have Janice arguing for the right for children who don't conform to a sexist stereotype to grow up free and healthy. On the other you have a group arguing for the right for a child to be given off label drugs that when taken lead to cross sex hormones that will result in early menopause, infertility and who knows what. It shouldn't even be an option on the table.

No child is born in the wrong body, not one.

Excellent article. Thank you, Janice.

Really great piece!

Delurking to say it’s a good article and thank you for sharing (I don’t usually get to read the Times). The idea of deliberately making a child infertile breaks my heart. I spent most of my 30s having fertility treatment and it was heartbreaking month after month, and a battery of chemicals that left me really ill at times and with long term anxiety. And it was hugely expensive! So this is close to my heart. The idea of putting children who don’t need it through the hormonal rollercoster of egg retrieval (and risking ovarian hyper stimulation) makes me sick. I’m so angry with the people who treat this casually and act like frozen eggs are some kind of certainty or guarantee. The failure rate can be massive! That’s on top of making permanent changes to their bodies at a time when they are vulnerable. So glad to see people speaking up.