Sexual exploitation of young girls in Huddersfield - again?

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Just seen this story. Is this one of the three linked trials that are ongoing or is it an entirely new investigation that’s now coming to court?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6062349/Thirty-men-woman-charged-sexual-exploitation-girls-young-12.html

I suspect we will see the usual rhetoric about working class girls being worth nothing in the eyes of the law.

The figures earlier in the thread about % sex offences being perpetrated by asian men. I'd like to see a source. We know that child abuse is rife in the UK and I find it very hard to believe it's all being perpetrated by such a small minority. Certainly the rapists I know of are white (in real life, not many thankfully!). Also in the news we see many men who are white being found guilty of sex offences agianst children.

For this MO - yes I can believe it. But it shouldn't distract from the fact that men are raping children all over the shop, just doing it more subtly / not in gangs / etc.

No it shouldn't. And we should be cautious and socially responsible. But that shouldn't mean that this specific issue is never allowed to be discussed. And it should never mean that it can be turned a blind eye to.

Some years ago I did some research into far right groups and they certainly were concerned about white paedophiles. I found a website called noncewatch or something where they named and shamed men - nearly all white.
Probably there has been a rise in these asian groups since then, which is why they focus so much on them.
Not to defend the right wingers, and they certainly aren't women friendly, but they did target white paedophiles.

Maybe approaching leaders and families of the Asian communities in these areas, and getting them to address the racist attitudes amongst themselves is one way to tackle this? Some of these communities need to take a long hard look at their misogynistic and racist attitudes. They need educating that white British females are not their playthings and are to be treated with respect. They coukd take a stand and start stamping this out themselves, wouldn’t that help?

It has to come from both sides - community outreach is one angle but we also need to examine WHY authorities were not acting.

My friend for example - an average case for her would be: she knew a certain child in her care was being lured in by these men. She physically got in her car and went to a house where people were plying a 13 year old with drink and drugs. Girl says one of the forty year old men is her boyfriend and she doesn’t want to leave.

What should the outcome have been here? A 40 year old in a situation where they are clearly grooming and exploiting? It should have been followed up by the police. The girl should NOT be left there. There should be multiple agencies stepping in, school aware and supporting, girl treated as victim of grooming

Instead what often happened was they were unable to get the girl to come with them. Nobpolice backup. They were physically threatened. The girl was labelled ‘trouble.’

In short, the structures that should have stepped in failed. The root of that is a misogynistic belief that a 13 year old girl can consent to being passed around a group of forty something men. And that that’s just how it is and she’s not worth the effort.

That is what has to stop.

i grew up rotherham inthe 00s when it was disturbingly rampant everywhere certain taxi companies were absolute no gos for teen girls to go alone, and even more disturbing was how cars of groomers were allowed to just camp outside the schools and not moved along, it was commented on often it was wierd. theres no way school officials, other authority figures didnt have hands inthe pot, just no way at all. so many more unsavoury details will come out its such a deeply rotten place. schools,care homes need to be on complete lockdown and cars being moved along and repeat offenders being reported to police.

Presenting him as a harmless whistle blower with no general dislike of or hatred of certain groups of people is ridiculous
I don’t want to seem as if I’m defending his views, I’m not. At all.
However, it is NOT a crime, and I find it scary that they tried to send him to prison for saying these things.
Reminds me of that ‘first they came for ...’ poem.
I find it a dangerous precedent to set, that’s all.

In short, the structures that should have stepped in failed. The root of that is a misogynistic belief that a 13 year old girl can consent to being passed around a group of forty something men. And that that’s just how it is and she’s not worth the effort.

That is what has to stop.

Absolutely this. I have seen this so often. When a 13 year old girl "goes off the rails", the first question any adult in a position of authority should do is ask "who has been sexually abusing her?" Not immediately concluding "oh, this one's just a bad 'un." Not saying "huh, teenage hormones, what can you do?"

And even if the teenager literally throws themselves at a 40 year old, wearing whatever parody of hyper-sexualised clothing she choose, the 40 year old is a rapist if he then has any sort of sexual relationship with her. The only appropriate response from a decent 40 year old is "what's your parents' phone number? I need to ring them up so they can collect you and get you home safely."

It's a toxic mix for sure.

Disinclination to face the root of the problem due to concern about racism accusations
Agreement frankly between the perpetrators and the majority of the authorities who were involved over the "worth" of the girls - zero.
Compounded by societal views (BRITISH societal views) around pubescent / post pubescent girls, sex and sexuality (ascribing adult motivations and capacity to consent, not seeing them as vulnerable)
The men being utterly flagrant, becoming expert at grooming and being able to make an industry out of this, without interference from any of our "protective" authorities (police, SS etc)

To be clear, OUR attitudes combined with the attitudes of these men let these girls down so badly. The authorities didn't see them as "child prostitutes" because they were afraid of racism.

This has shown up how revolting cultural attitudes in some parts of british asian communities combined with different / but also similar attitudes in wider british society got together to facilitate the rape of hundreds of girls.

I completely agree with the above. It’s so ingrained within your culture, to not see these girls as victims but as ‘little sluts’ etc.
Poor things can’t win, not enough sexy, they’re not valued at all, too much sexy and they’re slut shamed. Sometimes as women/girls you can be ‘too’ and ‘not enough’ simultaneously. Misogyny, (and also classism), is at the root of this for sure. The willingness to to look the other way for cultural reasons just created the ‘perfect storm’.

Your culture should be our culture. Well, let’s face it, most cultures.

I don't recognise those as British societal views. So for me to begin to understand your post you need to define "OUR".

and what's with the term "child prostitute"? It's an abused child.

Sorry my post is addressed to NothingOnTelly.

Child prostitute was the term applied by SS.

If you can't see this attitude in our society maybe open your eyes and look a bit closer.

Okaay.

To be clear

these girls were viewed by the police & SS etc as "trouble" - the term "child prostututes" was applied, they were considered to be off the rails and willingly sleeping around with older men.

Those views came from british people (mostly white I'm guessing). Because of misogyny. Not racism.

The racism thing was in many ways a handy angle to explain why they didn't bother doing anything - it was part of the story but not all of it.

Okaay - what?

The term child prostitute was used by the authorities involved.

What do you think of that?

Well your mind is made up. No point chatting to you on here.

So you don't actually have any response to the fact that these girls were often described as child prostitutes by the authorities.

@frogface69
Is it the large cinema car park with lower levels now bollarded off to due the persistent use of it in its lower levels where people where having sex in smoke filled cars.... It's a very very depressing place at the moment and becoming ghetto like in areas.

Joyce division & frog face is it near meadowhall or Cineworld youre refferring to? I always thought cineworld was ok .

Cineworld birstall was terrible...all lower areas now bollarded off

Its a shame so depressing

the term “Asian” is quite broad and I do think we need to narrow down offending groups a lot more than this. I say this as an “Asian” person.

The problem is that when the left and centre politicians, media, social services and establishment do not stand up and say "there is a serious problem with the way a certain group views western girls" then it opens up a space for the far right to fill.
The likes of Nick Griffin are not afraid to name what everybody in those areas knows, and thats how they gain support, because the established people in charge are too scared about their public image to speak.
Having said that there ARE paedophile rings in all walks of life and the way poor young girls are viewed in most of society is a disgrace, and police have not exactly fallen over themselves in the past to find and prosecute these men, whether they are running children's homes or working in Westminster. It's still a case of "nice girls" deserve protection but poor and troubled girls are just trash. That attitude permeates the whole of society.
And yes there are no go areas for non Muslim people in a lot of Yorkshire and Lancashire towns, and there never used to be, so things are getting worse not better, both in terms of lack of integration and racism. I'm not sure why this is but it's real.