Sexual exploitation of young girls in Huddersfield - again?

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Just seen this story. Is this one of the three linked trials that are ongoing or is it an entirely new investigation that’s now coming to court?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6062349/Thirty-men-woman-charged-sexual-exploitation-girls-young-12.html

I suspect we will see the usual rhetoric about working class girls being worth nothing in the eyes of the law.

PP above who mentioned that men in groups who feel untouchable for whatever reason is spot on. That’s happened throughout history - look at the ampleforth scandal that has been going on for decades. In that case it was white priests made untouchable by a church hierarchy that didn’t intervene. If we can investigate that with clear open eyes we have to investigate this. Nobody is saying ALL catholics or ALL Pakistani men are doing this. What they need to say, unflinchingly, is that in these cases group structures were used to commit/cover up crimes.

In these cases, there is an ethnic element and we can’t ignore that because it’s been the background on which the crimes have happened AND on which people were reluctant to investigate for fear of seeming racist.

Child abuse is a plague upon society. It needs to be rigorously investigated and prosecuted wherever it’s found.

As "holding ones nose awful" as this is the people shouting loudest about PIE in the 80s (?) were the National Front. It's the fault of the left that in a bid to be liberal we allow the right to lead on these matters. Whether it's opposing grooming gangs and Sharia courts, transgenderism or paedophiles more generally. It's not always good to be kind and accepting when it comes to things that are bad.

I live near Dewsbury. What goes on here is far worse than you can imagine. I could take you right now to the car park where girls are exchanged. Everyone knows.

I live in Huddersfield too, but I didn't know, nor did anyone I know!
We were all oblivious.
I guess it depends on the area or circles you socialise in.

Yes and while people in authority have been doing contortions "exploring the wider issues" crimes have been ignored.

Having said that at least there are a spate of trials now.

I listened to a interview with the woman who exposed the issue in Rotherham.
She didn’t believe that the lack of police action was due to the men’s ethnicity, plenty of Asian men are arrested every day in Huddersfield. If you read the local papers court reports around 70% of the names seem to be of Pakistani origin ( mostly traffic offences)
She thought it was more about the girls themselves being seen as “trouble” and worthless as they were from difficult backgrounds
If the Police tried to remove a girl they would get told to F off by the girls and told they were there by choice so the only option was to physically remove them but then they would usually go back anyway so we’re viewed as complicit and not worth “saving”
I also think it’s important to distinguish between religion and culture
There is nothing in Islam that allows or encourages this sort of behaviour (despite the islamsphobes reference to one instance of Mohammed having a young wife in The Quran, which is open to interpretation anyway). It’s cultural, as someone else pointed out most of these men were brought here from villages in rural Pakistan to marry a British born girls and they have a very negative view of British culture and especially young girls. It’s deeply ingrained that women are possessions or resources to be used at will and they have the opportunities to do just that here.
As for applauding the likes of Nick Griffin or Tommy Robinson - just no!

It's the fault of the left that in a bid to be liberal we allow the right to lead on these matters. Whether it's opposing grooming gangs and Sharia courts, transgenderism or paedophiles more generally. It's not always good to be kind and accepting when it comes to things that are bad.

I agree. And it was a factor in Rotherham and Rochdale. The independent report into Rotherham council found that there was a culture of turning a blind eye partially because of the culture/race/ethnicity issues. It's not a right wing myth.

As for applauding the likes of Nick Griffin or Tommy Robinson - just no!
What do you mean ‘just no’
I mean, I don’t think anyone’s ‘applauding them’, just pointing out it’s disgusting for them to be taken for court for saying these Asian grooming gangs are targeting whites girls, they are!
That’s not a crime, regardless of how much you dislike them or what they stand for. It’s very, very dangerous ground to try and start censoring people in that way. It might suit you while it’s people you disagree with, but set that precedent in motion, and it could be you in prison next for saying things against the ‘status quo’.
Big brother is watching, we should NOT accept it!

I agree. Free speech isn't just for the people one agrees with.

Nobody has been taken to court for saying it’s Asian men mostly doing this. People have been charged with contempt of court for not obeying a judges instructions
I completely support freedom of speech for all ( even vile racists) but I don’t buy into the “they are standing up for these girls “ bollocks
They have a racist political agenda and I doubt they give a shit how many girls are being abused. They don’t seem concerned about white paedophiles.
I am not afraid being accused of racism for telling the truth, see my earlier posts but I will not applaud evil men just because they happen to agree with most decent people on ONE issue

Nick griffin WAS taken to court for ‘inciting racial hatred’ for saying exactly that.

Saying the right thing for the wrong reason, or for the wrong agenda, is NOT a crime!

I agree that many far right activists have a racist political agenda. But that's not the issue. The problem occurs when they are the only people to say anything at all.

I doubt that stating a fact is “inciting racial hatred” otherwise the majority of people on this thread are in trouble
“These gangs are mostly Asian men” = fine
“And we should take action against them etc etc “ = not so fine

I doubt that stating a fact is “inciting racial hatred” otherwise the majority of people on this thread are in trouble
Listen, it’s very easy to check what I’m saying. That is what nick griffin was taken to court for, it was quite a few years ago now.
Thankfully they did not manage to send him to prison for this, although they did try, because who knows how far down the rabbit hole that would have taken us. ‘Ignorance is strength’ and all that though, eh?

Also, Eresh from what people have been saying on this thread and from other sources ( as I’ve said earlier I am in Huddersfield) they are NOT the only people to say this but they do get the publicity
And how exactly does them saying it help? We all know it goes on, I’ve known to avoid certain groups/areas here for over 30 years. The Police know, SS knows, the press know,nobody needs a bunch of Facists to point it out
The only thing they contribute is civil unrest, fights outside court and most importantly the increased risk of a retrial

This is one of the most chilling stories I have ever read.

kriegers you seem so well acquainted with Nick Griffin so can you tell me exactly what he said that is just simple fact but that was said to be inciting racial hatred?
What innocuous statement did he make that the “politically correct brigade “ used to send him to prison?
The majority of these men are Asian, it’s endemic - if MNHQ want to pass my details to the CPS for stating that then fine. I’m not worried because THAT is not inciting racial hatred

And how exactly does them saying it help? We all know it goes on, I’ve known to avoid certain groups/areas here for over 30 years. The Police know, SS knows, the press know,nobody needs a bunch of Facists to point it out

I'm not saying that anyone needs them to point it out. You misunderstand my point. I'm saying that if no one is talking about it but the far right, that's not a good thing for anyone. People won't stop thinking things because they are silenced. It opens up the field to the far right. You are in an area where many people are aware of the situation. Not everyone knew it was going on. People expect the media to cover these things and people to be called to account. When the only people who do so are far right racists, there is a problem.

pertinent - nick griffin court case

Boone needs to be well acquainted with anyone to read a newspaper hopping it was very well reported at the time, what with it happening in a public court.
It was a landmark case, which they thankfully lost.

The independent report into Rotherham council found that there was a culture of turning a blind eye partially because of the culture/race/ethnicity issues. It's not a right wing myth.

That report is interesting reading. For me the key is how we stop this happening. There have been failures on a number of levels. Fear of being seen as racist, racist views on young white poor girls, misogynistic views on girls and women generally. Attitudes towards girls this age and that they are ‘no angels.’ A view that they were willing participants.

All these combined and when they did it was such a toxic mix that it prevented this abuse from being stopped. Because it could have been stopped - and multiple agencies have failed here.

What’s needed is a critical look at where things went wrong and how this can be prevented in the future and right now - becasuse it’s still going on. Girls are still being abused, as we sit here and argue about nick bloody griffin.

No one seems to be talking about how the girls at risk here are viewed by society in general. A 13 year old cannot consent to what these girls were subjected to. Full stop.

Misogyny is at the root of this. Culture and agency failures have played a huge role as well. how do we make sure this stops happening?

Totally agree with you there. If it’s only the racists saying it ( or rather getting the publicity) then it turns it into a racist issue when it’s a child abuse issue
However people ARE talking about it here and always have. In West Yorkshire there are no go areas in many towns, Halifax, Keighley, Dewsbury, Bradford, Huddersfield where young white girls just aren’t safe. I have a 13 year old and I have had to warn her about this ( so she probably thinks I’m a massive racist) and I do flinch when we are in a Town and pass a group of Asian men and see how they look at her.
She has friends at school who are from Pakistani backgrounds and they are lovely boys who show her nothing but respect. She was however called a whore online by an ex friend from Primary when there was a photo of her on snapchat or whatever with a group of boys and I think that there was a cultural element to that.
Luckily that boy received a lot of abuse from other friends over it, including those from a similar background to him. Sometimes I wish we lived somewhere less diverse purely due to this small element which is sad

Nick Griffin was found guity previously of "publishing or distributing racially inflammatory written material" - see wiki.

Presenting him as a harmless whistle blower with no general dislike of or hatred of certain groups of people is ridiculous.

Oh, nick griffin is absolutely odious, that isn’t (or shouldn’t be) questionable. He’s harmed this more than ‘helped’ because people obviously feel that it is nick griffin the racist so not to be listened to.

Grooming is a huge problem in Blackpool, too