Sexual exploitation of young girls in Huddersfield - again?

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Just seen this story. Is this one of the three linked trials that are ongoing or is it an entirely new investigation that’s now coming to court?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6062349/Thirty-men-woman-charged-sexual-exploitation-girls-young-12.html

I suspect we will see the usual rhetoric about working class girls being worth nothing in the eyes of the law.

I thought social workers were "the authorities"! Who is overruling them to say it's not a concern?!

Multi-agency case conferences.

Let me guess - are these multi agency case conferences mainly populated by men? And the social workers flagging up the concerns are women?
I hate to say it, but I used to work in secondary schools, and frequently the male SLT would minimise any welfare concerns that female staff would raise...

I hate the whole culture of under age "consent" that completely over looks grooming/ privilege / self esteem issues / societal pressures to be "sexy and attractions". Ugh, just ugh.

When will this stop?!

30 rapers is a lot for a small town like Huddersfield.
No, it's not. You could find that in one street.
The belief is that working class white girls are 'for' abuse - "their parents bring them up to it", I've been told. We raise our girls to want sex. "All white girls are players" is another belief.

Here's the inimitable Lisa Muggeridge on the social work/intervention environment for these girls:

idgeofreason.wordpress.com/2012/05/14/shocking-gang-rape-liverpool-bradford-wherever-read-our-coverage-for-details/

idgeofreason.wordpress.com/2017/07/04/how-to-demonstrate-the-indifference-to-street-grooming-is-not-a-race-issue/

Note that, aside from institutional misogyny, a lot of this "she was there of her own free will" is about avoiding placements that could cost tens of thousands of pounds - and that those placements are only needed in the first place because of penny pinching over early intervention work.

"we raise our girls to want sex". There is an element of truth in this. Just look at advertising and how sexy women sell anything that is aspirational. Sexy music videos. Our whole culture is around sex and women being "up for it".

I'll read that later LangCleg. cheers

oh look - an elephant.

Awful, but this stuff doesn't surprise me anymore, which scares me a bit. I should be very shocked that a group of 30 men joined forces and molested young girls, but we hear of it so much it just doesn't shock anymore.

abitcrapper sadly I think that often women involved in these things victim blame, as bad as men and sometimes worse.

In society in general the prevailing attitude towards teenage girls is really iffy - and women are in no way immune to it.

I have heard women that I know say awful things about girls, about rape cases in the news etc. I have also heard that women on juries are less likely to find men guilty of rape than men.

There are no easy answers to this - what is needed is for societies across the world to stop viewing girls as objects and for men to respect the fact that they are children and therefore totally off limits.

I have witnessed it first hand as it happened to a friend of mine when we were teenagers. She was groomed by a group of men, and passed around their social circle
Me too, although I must admit it's only with hindsight that I recognised it, once I was a little older. This would have been in the late eighties/early nineties, and it was absolutely rife in the West Yorkshire town I grew up in. It mainly seemed to centre around taxi drivers, bus drivers etc who were around in the evenings due to their jobs. What made me the saddest was that these girls were all really vulnerable and really thought these guys cared about them and they were real boyfriends. The girls all ended up abused, discarded, and their lives changed forever. Many turned to drugs and alcohol to cope. At least one I know of killed herself.
Makes me sick to the stomach that it has been prevalent for so long and nothing has changed.

A more recent thing is to give the girls spice to smoke, then dump them comatose somewhere.

Twice now but of course it's the girls taking drugs at fault.

I thought social workers were "the authorities"! Who is overruling them to say it's not a concern?!

In the case of my friend she found that all the authorities had the same pattern. There were a few people who cared and too many people who didn’t. People like her - desperate to stop this, unafraid to put themselves in considerable personal danger to do so. She spent a lot of time tracking these girls down at night and was beaten up more than once - she had her elbow dislocated by a particularly nasty ‘boyfriend.’ She found some police officers very keen to help and other social workers the same. HCPs she generally found very helpful but limited in influence once girls had been treated.
But she also found huge inertia in the systems. She found a total ‘not allowed to mention it’ approach to suggesting any ethnic background angle which hampered her. She also found a big attitude that poor white girls were ‘up for it’/willingly going along etc. Despite the fact that most of them were underage and legally unable to consent.

The job burned her out. She quit a few years back and I don’t blame her. She’d been seriously assaulted at least twice, minor assaults (verbal, threats, pushing) almost daily and when she got pregnant I think she just couldn’t justify the risk.

Family member works in an environment working closely with police, don't want to be too specific, but the "grooming gangs" as seen in the Three Girls on TV are allegedly very much still taking place, they firmly believe police are aware and are powerless or daren't tackle it... Town near Huddersfield, K, is alleged to have a major grooming ring active at the moment.

Obviously, all allegedly as it is an area with lots of ethnic groups and tensions

Don’t forget, in these areas those who aren’t ‘up for it’ are ‘snobby’, ‘posh’, and ‘think they’re someone’. We must be sex positive at all times after all mustn’t we.

Can you imagine how it would have been treated if it had been a gang of older women grooming young boys? Putting aside for a minute the fact that women don't sexually abuse in gangs like men, if they (very very small proportion compared to men) do at all - it would have been all over the papers, the "authorities" I'm sure would have treated it very differently. Any children of the women concerned would have been taken into care immediately etc.
Because it's older men and young girls it is "explained away", victim blamed away, expected almost. Because it is so so horribly "normal".

People are so scared of being’racist’ They close their eyes. I believe the much maligned Nick Griffin raised this years ago but was shouted down as being racist - time for councils, the police, lawyers etc to grasp the nettle and deal with this even when the racism industry shouts and screams.

Ermmmm

Much maligned Nick Griffin? lol

I thought the main whistleblower was a female doctor.

"the racism industry"

what is this please?

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I know where you are referring to , the MP shouted long enough over this for a decade. Did some good but I'm not too sure how much has changed.
This whole issue has been ongoing for 30 years , not convinced anyone has a full understanding of how widespread it is.

Nick Griffin is not "much maligned". He is accurately described. Just because the odious little shit might have been right about one issue doesn't mean he is suddenly a righteous campaigner for girls/women. His motivation is entirely different.

Come on ! Griffin was the leader of the BNP and an utter twat.

I actually have a lot of respect for Tommy Robinson for highlighting this. He was talking about it in 2011-2012 and was told he was racist for suggesting it. He of course was right.

All men need to be brought up to respect consent, to treat women with respect. However some seem to need to know this more urgently

The problem with people like Nick Griffin trying to call it out is (as a pp already said) that, like most of the far right, they're not really concerned about young women, they are using it as a stick to beat the asian community with.

I'm from West Yorks and I've been aware of the grooming gangs and their MOs for decades. I've also worked in child protection since the 80's and seen all the different MOs people use to isolate and sexually abuse women and children. It is everywhere. In all communities, many organisations, has no respect for the socio-economic class of it's victims.

The problem is MEN, lets not forget this. Child sexual abuse happens in all cultures, the perps are almost exclusively men and the majority of victims are female. Belonging to a particular culture does not make a person, or stop a person from being a perpetrator.

The biggest predictor of someone becoming a sexual predator or victim is their biological sex.

No fan of nick griffin here, I must say. It was female social workers like my friend who brought many of these cases to light, at considerable personal expense.

...at the end of the day, girls are being horribly abused - there have been murders in some of the cases. No amount of political correctness should be allowed to get in the way. If the socioeconomic background is a linking factor, it needs to be looked at. If there’s greater prevalence in a specific community or area, it needs to be looked at. Dispassionately, and with diplomacy as needed but people’s feelings cannot come ahead of the safety, health and sometimes even the lives of young women who are being abused.

The law of the land, safeguarding and the child have to come first. Always.

We HAVE to get a different mindset in these cases. The main obstacles do include political correctness but the attitude towards young, poor white girls is dreadful - the air of ‘sex positivity’ and ‘choice’ and then being described as ‘no angels’ is so toxic. Imagine if these girls had all been from one of the top boarding schools in a nice area - there would have been a totally different response.

Women’s lives and health are cheap - that’s the attitude that needs changing. It’s obvious from these cases that some communities have a high number of men that think this but it’s also obvious that the authorities do too. That’s unforgivable

It's always gone on. It's not just Asian men either if anyone is implying that.
It goes on eiWhat the grooming does have in common is the pre meditated targeting of female children (from 11 up) particularly girls in "care".
The majority of prostitutes started as children, which is why I cannot ever accept legalised prostitution. It is just the continuation of abuse.
Police need to crack down but hard on these opportunistic abusers.