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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sexual exploitation of young girls in Huddersfield - again?

163 replies

Bowlofbabelfish · 15/08/2018 10:24

Just seen this story. Is this one of the three linked trials that are ongoing or is it an entirely new investigation that’s now coming to court?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6062349/Thirty-men-woman-charged-sexual-exploitation-girls-young-12.html

I suspect we will see the usual rhetoric about working class girls being worth nothing in the eyes of the law.

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therealposieparker · 15/08/2018 22:07

I'm not playing games. I'm reading a thread. This blindness is one of the reasons these girls were unheard. It's a shame for the victims these perpetrators aren't white privileged fuckers as there would be less hand wringing.

Bespin · 15/08/2018 22:11

therealposieparker

it's a shame for these victims that there are little to no services out there that can support them and maybe if we focused on that and allowing them to get the support they need when there whole world as been built around these gangs then we may have a chance of stopping them and arresting them.

TheQueef · 15/08/2018 22:18

There is no support. The wreckage the victims are left with is too big for any agency to commit to.
Often the victims have a child as a product of grooming.
Neither community wants them. No one, the stigma or blame is a life sentence for these women.

powershowerforanhour · 15/08/2018 22:23

Disappointing that the BBC headline contains the phrase "child sex". There is no such thing as "child sex" or "grooming girls for sex". It's child rape. The BBC of all people should know that, given their disgraceful history in this area.

Bespin · 15/08/2018 22:26

one of the issues that is often over looked is that some of these young woman continue to be exploited into adulthood and at this point it becomes a lot harder to prevent and to convict as the victim will often side with the group who have become there support network and unless services can provide that support then it is hard to get them away from these gangs at this point

midgesummer · 15/08/2018 22:42

I remember going to an introductory meeting about this issue almost 20 years ago in a close by town, it was an exceedingly well attended multi disciplinary meeting. No follow up meetings were ever held, this was said to be because the council was concerned about inflaming racial tensions. There is a significant racial element to this type of sexual abuse, this isn't the only sexual abuse that will be present in these communities and sexual abuse occurs in all communities in different forms. The unchecked nature of this abuse was a toxic mix of unvalued and hard to care for dc and institutional concerns about being thought racist.

AdultHumanFemale · 15/08/2018 22:43

I was a victim of grooming and sexual predation at the hands of a grooming gang in my mid teens. Those men were Polish Roma gypsies, old enough to be my dad. This took place in a capital city of another European country known for its 'right-on' ness, where I was at a residential school. Those men were small time dealers of drugs and stolen goods and through my involvement with them I became implicated in this business and was left vulnerable to predation by men of a range of nationalities, by means of trade; the thing they had in common was that they were deeply misogynistic men living on the margins of society with little interest in integrating with or contributing to the society of their chosen country of residence. Nobody thought to / dared to question what was going on with me; not my school, nor GP or obs/gyn clinic and other services which I came into contact with as a result of it. I was blamed at worst and at best thought to be 'a bit of a wild child'. Like the other girls I came into contact with, I thought one of those men was my 'boyfriend', and that I was special. I blanked those years out for decades, and it is only since the recent stories coming out of Rotherham etc that I have been able to put a name to what happened to me.
I am not sure what point I am making, apart from the fact that it is heartbreaking that this is happening to girls all over the place, girls who have no way of naming it, or of recognising it for what it is.

TheQueef · 15/08/2018 23:06

Sorry that that happened to you AHF Flowers

The street sex workers local to me are now run by Roma, the age and prices available now make you despair. They truly enjoy destroying women.

Babycham1979 · 15/08/2018 23:35

Nick Griffin really is an odious little prick, but he actually was the first to identify this publically (along with his grubby little associates), and was duly sent to court as a result,

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/bnp-leader-walks-free-as-race-hate-prosecution-fails-6109957.html

A stopped clock is right twice a day. And the politically correct powers that be truly hate anyone who rocks the boat.

therealposieparker · 15/08/2018 23:37

Adult human female I'm so sorry this happened to you ❤️❤️

therealposieparker · 15/08/2018 23:39

Racist and islamophobic accusations are the same a transphobic accusations. They seek to silence and deceive. We should be able to name this abuse.

makingmiracles · 16/08/2018 00:18

I think it’s Bs not to be blunt and call it what it is for fear of rasism, predatory grooming by ethnic minority males. Yes occasionally white males are involved but on the whole it seems to be a massive problem with Asian and Pakistani men. Does anyone know if the Rotherham gang were British born or immigrants? I wonder what’s going so wrong in their home countries in terms of education and treatment of women generally that they feel it’s acceptable/normal to come here and behave like this?

frogface69 · 16/08/2018 00:41

I live near Dewsbury. What goes on here is far worse than you can imagine. I could take you right now to the car park where girls are exchanged. Everyone knows. People are frightened to really speak up. It is all so terrible here.

KreigersClones · 16/08/2018 00:41

They literally took nick griffin to court for saying that Asian gangs were grooming white girls. That’s scary shit.
If only they took the groomers to court so quickly.
As a pp said, a stopped clock is right twice a day, I don’t agree with nick griffin about most things, but I agreed with this and found it disgusting they tried to have him prosecuted. Why? What’s their agenda?

KreigersClones · 16/08/2018 00:48

Although I disagree that they’d be ‘less’ handwringing of it were white men doing it - look at how the protected the ‘paedo-presenters of the BBC - but only if it were to white working class girls.
If white men were particularly targeting minority girls to the extent that happens in these towns, then I do genuinely think it would be a different story - but not because they give a shit about the girls though, but so that they can get their right- on points

Gildashairflick · 16/08/2018 00:48

@powershowerforanhour yes! The media language serves to reinforce the salacious nature of the language. It's like fucking kiddie porn - it gives it a degree of validity. It boils my piss!

Gildashairflick · 16/08/2018 00:50

@frogface69 we are in the same area. Can you pm me re your known locations please? I can help get resources there

TheQueef · 16/08/2018 01:17

Shurrup deleting that, really?

Leaving the Roma comment up though?

Metaplasia · 16/08/2018 01:45

I haven't read all of the PPs but thought I'd come on to say I'm from Huddersfield and know several of the men named. It is rife. Many of my friends and I were "passed around" so to speak as 13/14/15 year olds. I'm alright luckily but several of my friends were very badly affected by it emotionally.

SPOFS · 16/08/2018 02:46

Why are Nick Griffin and Tommy Robinson the only high-profile people speaking out against this?

I am appalled by this, but I don't want either of these pricks as my spokesman!

Incidentally, isn't it odd that all of the areas with grooming gangs are Labour strongholds? #labourlosingwomen

OlennasWimple · 16/08/2018 03:03

Flowers to anyone affected by this

How the fuck can you blame Islam when sex outside marriage is forbidden?

Because it doesn't "count" when it's sex with a white, non-Muslim girl

OlennasWimple · 16/08/2018 03:06

In Rotherham, at least two councillors and at least one police officer are believed to have raped girls involved in the gang abuse - there's three reasons why no-one did anything Sad

Effic · 16/08/2018 03:25

The other elephant in the room here that sang be mentioned us the children act and the lack of authority that workers and the law have in actually being able to remove girls from this. I have a little (not much) experience in this area and what it comes down to is .... you can’t imprision teenagers eve if they are only 12/13. It’s generally ‘vulnerable’ girls with poor family relationships, from poorer backgrounds and / or in care or on child protection plans from inadequate parenting. By the time professionals are involved, the girls are already hooked either in drugs/alcohol or on the ‘glamour’ of having a rich boyfriend. That’s very hard to to fight when you have both hands tied behind your back - parents can’t physically restrain the girls from leaving the house; social workers and the police can’t lock away and it’s very difficult to prosecute the men when their victims will swear that nothing has happened. It’s bloody hard. Early education is the key I think - getting this message into school at a very early age and continually reinforcing it but it’s somewhat thwarted by the constant reinforcement from music/film/TV/celebrity that the only interesting women are those who dress in next to nothing and drop themselves across men. That’s what we are teaching girls to aspire to so no wonder it gets twisted by these men.

Effic · 16/08/2018 03:27

Yikes - so many typos
*sang = should
Eve = even
Drop - drap

frogface69 · 16/08/2018 03:52

SPOFS indeed