Why is he crying? Laura Huteson death

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Laura Huteson death: Hull man killed woman in 'bizarre' sex game www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-45140580

How often hetersexual men die during “risky” sex games because I can’t think of one case from the news? I know that sadly happens in same sex couples/ participants (can think of a couple examples from the news) but in hetero? It seems it tends to be women who love being throttled, punched, tied up, brutalised.

What does it mean he did not intend that to happen. What did he think would happen.

I was having a think last night about Charlotte Teeling and what to do with this list of women, murdered by men who then claim they died as a side effect of consensual rough sex, always through strangulation.

I'm not sure how aware judges, barristers/solicitors, police, and definitely juries are that women frequently die (often with men they've just met) through strangulation and that the men claim the women asked for it.

I wonder if the number of women who ask randos to strangle them after a night out is somewhere close to zero, so this defence should probably never work.

Does anyone know about such matters?

Actually - Richard Bailey has been given a min term: 29 years for murder of Charlotte Teeling. Judge's full sentencing remarks are below

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/richard-bailey-murder-sentencing-every-15141295

I've read this disgusting case this morning. And the murderer was out on licence

29 years is a good sentence. Now just need to make sure that the clueless Parole Board don't release him too soon.

That's a good long sentence. Thank goodness for some sense.

Sorry, but I don't believe that anyone is stupid enough not to realize that stabbing someone in the neck will probably kill them. If he'd run someone over with his car, backed up over them, drove forward again, and kept repeating a few dozen times, would this judge have said "well obviously you didn't intend to run them over"?

These cases are horrific and very very worrying as evidence of a trend toward violent and degrading sexual practices being promoted as the norm. I have no doubt that there are many many proponents of BDSM but I think you would find that almost no women with those interests practice them with strangers because of the risk involved.

Two of these cases I know a little about - Chloe Miazek and Mandy McDonald.

The Chloe Miazek case was very odd indeed as his assertion that the strangulation was consensual was accepted based almost entirely on her ex partners statement that she had enjoyed it with him in the past.

The Mandy McDonald case was incredibly sad and one I think about quite often. She was a mother of two who was killed by her husband in an incredibly violent and degrading way. Added to which he dumped her body (the mother of his two children) in a wood and left her there for 6 days. He had penetrated her with such force using a foreign object that her bowel was ruptured. She was 4ft 10 - an absolutely tiny woman.

As many other above have said I think porn culture has a huge amount to answer for - I had reason recently to look at a popular free porn site, and there were virtually no videos of normal consensual, mutually enjoyable looking sex. It was almost exclusively women being hurt, 'fucked' and debased.

How often hetersexual men die during “risky” sex games because I can’t think of one case from the news?

Nah, me neither, if anything they seem to die from self-aphyxation gone wrong. (Or a heart attack in bed with prostitutes...)

I've found 2 gay men using this defence - and absolutely zero heterosexual men dying at the hands of their female partners in "sex game gone wrong"/"rough sex"

A couple more cases:

2001 Wiltshire, Gill Barter is murdered by Darren Maslen, accused of murdering his partner at their Market Lavington home told a court this week she died after a kinky sex session went disastrously wrong. He used a stun gun on her, after drugging her. Life sentence with min term 18 years.
www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/4089837.Family_s_dismay_as_Devizes_killer_s_sentence_is_reduced/

2015 London, Marta Ligman. Thomas Kocik is convicted of murder.
In his defence, Kocik, who is Polish, claimed he found his girlfriend dead at their flat after days of amphetamine fuelled bondage sex sessions.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3336449/Violent-controlling-forklift-driver-murdered-girlfriend-dumped-body-canal-suitcase-jailed-18-years.html
www.murdermap.co.uk/pages/cases/case.asp?CID=544712015&VID=1175&Case=Body-in-a-suitcase:-Marta-Ligman

February 2018 Edinburgh, 21 yo Hannah Dorans is strangled by Frazer Neil (25) - with his defence being "Fifty Shades of Grey sex game wrong". He's convicted of murder and will serve at least 19 years.
The High Court in Edinburgh heard Ms Dorans, of Midlothian, had finished the four-year relationship just two weeks before but Neil could not accept she had another partner. He lured her to the flat in February 2017 and sexually assaulted her before strangling her with a cord.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6442189/Controlling-manipulative-thug-jailed-life-strangling-ex-fiancee-death.html
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-46386389

I'm bumping this cheerless thread to log the case above - another man strangling a woman and claiming (this time unsuccessfully) that this was part of a "sex game gone wrong". to Hannah's family, and to all the women and those who loved em on this thread.

More:

2002 Northampton: Lorna Slaney (31) is killed by Andrew Murray (convicted of rape and murder), with Carl Stokes acquitted of murder and rape and later convicted of false imprisonment. Stokes claimed he was tricked into a bondage and rape sex game gone wrong, and "I didn’t know she was in any danger. I had no reason to distrust Murray.”

Lorna was in a relationship with Murray and he and Stokes kidnapped her and tied her to a bed. In Stokes' trial, the prosecution said you would have been beating up Lorna against her will and having intercourse with her against her will. “Her attempts to fight and stop herself from being tied up were genuine cries for help, she was helpless.”
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/northamptonshire/5016116.stm
www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/murder-trial-told-of-sex-trick-1-946870

The Murray one was eligible for parole from 2015, if only be freed if the Parole Board says he is not a public danger.

Anlaf thank you for collecting the reports of their cases here. This very disturbing claim made by the male perpetrators becomes so obvious when you see these cases together. to the women and their families and friends.

(the Jane Coutts murder that Ducking linked to - the man that killed her had been watching hours of violent porn and her MP took up the case news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berkshire/3471441.stm

And another one:

April 2018 - Lesley Potter (66) is killed by her husband Derek Potter. He made various claims around her death - and Potter accepted he had a temper, and accepted he had strangled his wife on occasions for sexual reasons. He also accepted he had previously “held” her by the throat in the Village Inn pub when he thought she was about to say something that would “incriminate” him.

Whose "sexual reasons," eh?
www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/live-updates-man-accused-strangling-15346811
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-45960656

Enough for one night. for all.

It feels important doesn't it Chatty, when you see the pattern.

Apologies if already posted - I have just skimmed this thread. New law just passed in NZ this week.
i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/109116027/editorial-strangulation-the-edge-of-homicide

Interesting Yeahnahyeah

AnI was just about to post this - from the US - but here is a man who non-consensually strangles his girlfriends, then claims it was consensual sex play.

He also happens to be New York's attorney general, and a former senator, who introduced a law that made strangulation a serious crime

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eric-schneiderman-strangling-women_us_5af22e42e4b00a3224ee26b1

Reading this thread again, I hope my daughters are gay and my sons straight. I just want them to keep away from men.

These cases are horrific.

What is that quote by Philip Larkin? Something about "if women knew what men were thinking, they wouldn't go near us"?

And violent porn ubiquitous now to encourage them in their sick fantasies which they now think are perfectly normal. The worst aspects of their sexual nature have been given societal full rein by all this porn. It's terrifying.

The male judges, lawyers and police officers aren't immune either.

man who murdered his ex-girlfriend after tying her to a bed and having sex with her

That would be RAPE. Either he kidnapped her which the report says, or she was willing to the point he killed her thus he didn't kidnap her. I wonder, did the other hapless "innocent" man go to the police when Lorna died?

Btw we haven't found all of these, I am certain. Google is very unhelpful with local news and so I've been searching sex game gone wrong and strangle sex directly on local newspaper sites as well as through google.

If anyone fancies doing the same for their local newspaper I'd be v grateful.

The very very excellent Karen ingala Smith and Women's Aid's Femicide census has 25 women killed by strangulation in one year. If we assume it's a similar number each year, would be interesting to know how many of those men claim sex game gone wrong

Yeahnahyeah the first day the NZ law criminalising strangulation was in place a man was charged under it.

We have significant issues with donestic violence here but please they are taking some steps to try and improve things (allowing the video of victim statements will help too).

Did anyone else read about this very strange case the other day?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6464477/Shocking-moment-15st-American-football-playing-pub-chef-gets-bar-manager-HEADLOCK.html

A female bar manager is "strangled" by a colleague and passes out, and doesn't realise what happens until she later sees it on CCTV footage. Her employer takes no action and seems to think she is making a fuss about nothing. The whole episode is utterly shocking, and there is no explanation as to why he might have done this to her - in full view of colleagues.

Anlaf - Wikipedia has a quite long article about the death of Jane Longhurst, whose murderer claimed it was a case of "sex games gone wrong". I won't expand here, in case people would rather not read about the killer's previous activities and porn habits

The murderer of Charlotte Teeling also claimed it was "rough sex gone wrong"

As did the murderer of Karen Rae (as an aside - how great to see the headline on this article describe the killer as a misogynist)

The killer of Chloe Miazek picked up a woman who was so drunk that she had been thrown out of a nightclub in Aberdeen then had "rough sex gone wrong"

I'm quite horrified, in fact, just how many women are killed by strangulation. In the 5 mins that I've been googling, I've come across numerous articles about women strangled by their husbands (not during sex) and women strangled by their sons (ditto).

And where the defence is "rough sex gone wrong", it's striking how many cases involve couples who have only known each other for a very short time (a couple of hours, for example). I can't believe that any woman would agree to consensual breathing play with a stranger. And in many cases, their capacity to give consent to regular, vanilla sex was significantly impaired (usually through drink), but the prosecution seems to focus on a murder charge, not rape. I wonder if this is because murder is the greater charge in terms of sentence, and easier to prove?

This makes me so angry these poor women and their families

It the same old belief that men are entitled to sex and can’t help themselves and lose any reasoning when they are sexually aroused

What utter rubbish it’s male violence against women

"In 2014, the New Zealand Family Violence Death Review Committee found strangulation histories in 71 per cent of its cases, and 50 per cent of those cases involved multiple strangulations.

The FVDRC concluded that strangulation was a modus operandi for some abusers.

Women's Refuge told the New Zealand Law Commission that the "vast majority" of victims it deals with have been strangled by their partners.

The commission reported that "abusers do not strangle to kill, but to show that they can kill". But all too often they actually kill, whether by strangulation or some other brutality"

Well done NZ doing some research and changing the law. Time for the same in this country though I would like to see tougher sentences and no defence of "sex games gone wrong".

This is such a shocking thread. Half of me wants to show it to DD's and half of me doesn't as it's too upsetting.