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Channel 4 appoints a new advisor on inclusion

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BarrackerBarmer · 09/08/2018 13:20

www.channel4.com/info/press/news/channel-4-appoints-sue-pascoe-as-advisor-on-inclusion-x

Sue Pascoe, who 4 years ago was Graham, and who said "that while a man, he was the embodiment of the all-action, red-bloodied alpha male."
Of course, by 2015, this evolved to "'It's funny, I'm 55, I am very hormonal, I am going through puberty again which means that I am just getting to my teenage girl years - so watch out world."

Perhaps those teenage girl years have been outgrown now that Pascoe is 58. Here's hoping.

I'm not convinced this will result in a better proportion of those of us who are female being represented though.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3163747/Master-Hunt-woman-age-54-marks-day-man-going-bowling-enjoying-burger-sons.html

Wouldn't it be nice if some of the recent 'inclusivity' appointments actually included women? By which I mean, the old fashioned ACTUALLY underrepresented, female type human.

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Cigarstring · 09/08/2018 17:00

"Became very difficult"

Yes I can imagine their poor wife catching them posing in her underwear every now and then Hmm. Poor Susie, it is so very difficult being a teenage girl these days.Confused

womanformallyknownaswoman · 09/08/2018 17:02

Different flavours of swiss cheese seem to be in fashion these days on here - but the wholey-holes are a giveaway

hackmum · 09/08/2018 17:03

"It was really quite nice to get a letter from the NHS asking if I wanted to have a cervical cancer test"

...said no woman ever.

Datun · 09/08/2018 17:06

No problem with fetish until it involves people who haven't consented

The fetish itself is misogynistic. That's my problem with it.

But if you've got it, you've got it.

It's not a social movement, an aspiration, a lifestyle, an identity or an illness.

It's a fetish. And if you have to go public with it before it sends you into a positively never ending implosion of frustration, at least acknowledge it.

R0wantrees · 09/08/2018 17:07

Did I read right that they are offering surgery as a prize????

I wonder if OMELC the premier transgender surgery institute is where Sue Pascoe had her surgery?

In both the interview with the Daily Mail and the video, Sue Pascoe promotes the sugeon and the experience of going to India.

It seems to be quite mutually beneficial.

BoreOfWhabylon · 09/08/2018 17:08

Susan Stephanie Pascoe is listed as a Director of Yorkshire MESMAC in Companies House

beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/WdrtmPjW7O6XMpIzFxC5qReX7tE/appointments

Also entries for Graham Pascoe, Graham Stephen Pascoe, Graham Pascoe Associates, Sue Graham Pascoe all with the same birthdate.

R0wantrees · 09/08/2018 17:09

I have a pop up advert along this thread for 'Botched' the celebrity plastic surgeons' show! Hmm

hipsterfun · 09/08/2018 17:09

I thought we had reached a consensus that male mid-life crises were pathetic and laughable. Now they’re brave and inspiring?

Right first time.

madja · 09/08/2018 17:09

Teenage girl at 58 Hmm

Cigarstring · 09/08/2018 17:09

It almost seems like a secret society. It puts the Freemasons to shame and makes them look amateurish.

Datun · 09/08/2018 17:10

I mean everyone already knows.

All the feminists know, the transsexuals on here know, the wives know, the children know, the medical profession knows, the lesbians know, all the men with gender dysphoria know. India Willoughby knows!

Datun · 09/08/2018 17:11

Oops that made sense right after my other post!

hipsterfun · 09/08/2018 17:11

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BoreOfWhabylon · 09/08/2018 17:15

I am quite surprised they had surgery, which is unusual for this type? But perhaps it was only facial surgery. Either way still unusual

The linked video upthread indicated that there were several surgeries. The doctor, I think, said the genital surgery came last.

placemats · 09/08/2018 17:15

I know so many transgender people who, at one point in their lives, have attempted suicide. The figures are shocking: between 30% and 70%, dependent upon what other issues you face. I sit in a category that has a 70% suicide rate, so I am very pleased to be here. I did whatever it took to get my operation done in a timely basis to go forward with my life"

So having a shed load of money to go to India and having your surgery, all put up in social media, at the tender teenage years of mid fifties, pulled you out of this horrendous suicidal ideation? Sounds like a Conservative political broadcast to me.

Meanwhile in the real world, the NHS is crumbling under lack of funding by the current DUP/Conservative government.

placemats · 09/08/2018 17:17

Let's be under no illusion, the current government is a DUP/Conservative coalition government.

placemats · 09/08/2018 17:20

This current government is in coalition with the Democratic Unionist Party. The DUP does not support same sex marriage and does not support abortion. It is homophobic and there are members of the DUP who believe in correction to 'gay'.

The DUP does not uphold LGBt rights.

placemats · 09/08/2018 17:21

*LGBT

R0wantrees · 09/08/2018 17:22

It almost seems like a secret society. It puts the Freemasons to shame

the Freemasons did not deny there were transwomen who were part of the brotherhood, they only commented that there were none recorded (Its a bit of a moot point as I'm not sure the Freemasons' records are kept in the manner of other organisations, charities etc)!

I had speculated on the thread below that some of the men who went on to transition in later life and had careers and interests such as those that Sue Pascoe descibed in her Daily Mail article could well have been part of groups such as the Freemasons... just as they might well be Rotarians.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3323475-Surprise-The-Masons-now-welcome-Transwomen-but-not-women

Cigarstring · 09/08/2018 17:24

There's that book The boy who would be queen or some similar name by the expert doctor who noted 2 main groups of transwomen. I believe he said it was less common for AGP s to have surgery but for some it took the obsession to its limits.

Bingpot · 09/08/2018 17:37

Right. So it's great to become a woman but only when it no longer is a gross disadvantage to your social status and career goals.

You can't be both suicidally desperate to be a woman yet able to wait until you've finished achieving all you want to achieve professionally. Except of course you can, and people will celebrate you and offer you a job you aren't qualified for.

And the teenage girl comment is nauseating. Surely it should be menopausal woman. I wonder why it isn't... no collective trans experience of menopause as they claim with their 'periods'? So strange...

Ofew · 09/08/2018 17:38

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NothingOnTellyAgain · 09/08/2018 17:41

I think that's only my second ever deletion in 12 years here!

Ah well.

MESMAC are the ones who got in shit for saying their staff were allowed to sleep with their service users aren't they?

WaddIelikeapenguin · 09/08/2018 17:41

Oh come on! Angry

Isn't it interesting how white men always seem to get the diversity gig?
This this this this this this this this

NothingOnTellyAgain · 09/08/2018 17:42

yep ++ all the other stuff in the news.