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As I was saying about the police.....

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Winniesalot · 07/08/2018 10:14

Wtf is "misgendering"?! Genuinely have no clue what this might be and whatever it is was totally and utterly non-intentional.

To those who doubted - this is 100% genuine.

To those who thought I was being rude that night - I'd like to make the point that nothing I said was directed at the person. I was making genetic statements for the purpose of conversation, not carrying out a personal attack on one person.

If this stays up then I will post a screenshot of the text I received from the PO.

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Datun · 07/08/2018 11:42

BarrackerBarmer

That makes chilling reading. I can't help thinking that progressing this sort of complaint is an easy tick for the police.

cheesefield · 07/08/2018 11:44

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RatRolyPoly · 07/08/2018 11:46

Holly you are categorically wrong. She said that in a heated discussion she said, "Just because you carry a handbag and you paint your nails it doesn't make you a woman."

Don't bother trying to pretend otherwise, I quoted it enough bloody times!

So to a trans woman's face she told her in a "heated" tone (aggressive? raised voice?), "just because you carry a handbag doesn't make you a woman!" - so, quite a person and upsetting comment, no?

Tad bit different to the now general points she claims to have been making in a much more measured discussion.

RatRolyPoly · 07/08/2018 11:47

*personal

LunaTrap · 07/08/2018 11:48

Rat whether the OP said it the way you report it or not, what makes it a crime warranting a visit from the police?

therealposieparker · 07/08/2018 11:49

Do not have a chat!!! Do not have a chat. Refuse.

This will not affect your rights, NEVER speak to the police without a solicitor! Solicitors are free for an interview.

therealposieparker · 07/08/2018 11:51

IMO experience they were friendly chatty on the phone until I asked for a solicitor. Then they were pricks.

They definitely tried to goad me and entrap me with their tag team questions. You can call them now and say no to the chat.

Call a solicitor. NOW.

therealposieparker · 07/08/2018 11:52

Does anyone know the OP in real life?

(As in can they call her and tell her not to have a chat????)

She needs to say no comment To EVERYTHING, even her name.

Datun · 07/08/2018 11:52

She said that in a heated discussion she said, "Just because you carry a handbag and you paint your nails it doesn't make you a woman."

That's completely true, though. It's true, also for the transwoman concerned. Those criteria have absolutely no bearing on one's status as a woman, either biologically or legally.

HollyGibney · 07/08/2018 11:53

I think you're looking for offence tbh (surprise!) I don't think OP is particularly trying to deflect from her wording in any kind of manipulative way though I can see why you would think so. I'm not being disingenuous in any way so please don't make that implication.

Datun · 07/08/2018 11:53

therealposieparker

Can the OP refuse to chat altogether? Or only postpone it until she has a solicitor?

RatRolyPoly · 07/08/2018 11:54

Rat whether the OP said it the way you report it or not, what makes it a crime warranting a visit from the police?

I'm not saying it was definitely an actionable crime, but I imagine the trans woman in question believed it to be harassment motivated by their gender reassignment status.

Not every member of the public is expected to know the letter of the law and how it should be applied, but if you believe you have been the victim of a crime you are quite within your rights to report it to the police and let them be the final arbiter on whether or not an actionable crime has been committed.

If this trans woman felt she was verbally abused or harassed by the OP's belligerent and offensive comments (which in the original thread no-one had an issue with me describing them as) then by all means she can tell the police she believes she has been the victim of a crime.

In fact, the biggest objection I received to that on the other thread was that "women are on the receiving end of such thing all the time and we don't make a fuss about it". Yeah, like women just need to suck up misogynistic harassment, no-one go reporting it to the police or anything guys! I appreciate you can't comment on that because the thread is now zapped, but I'm told the screenshots linger on on Twitter.

therealposieparker · 07/08/2018 11:54

To be fair I've said and will continue to say much more definite things about what a man can or can't be or change into. Anyone that supports this sort of policing is a fucking idiot.

ColumboHere · 07/08/2018 11:54

If there were no witnesses to this conversation just deny it.

It's the simplest way to put it behind you.

therealposieparker · 07/08/2018 11:55

Wait until she has a solicitor.

If she calls one now they will contact the police and tell them that she won't have a chat without a solicitor. A friendly chat is nothing of the sort.

therealposieparker · 07/08/2018 11:56

No! Say nothing. Don't deny, don't lie, don't try and explain. SAY NOTHING.

MyAuntyBadger · 07/08/2018 11:56

I would also be careful about your chat with the police. I had a male, gay boss a few years ago and while we were at work a woman came in and started shouting at him that he'd ruined her life. It transpired that they had argued in a club on a night out about who was next to be served at the bar. When she handed the drinks to her friends one of them asked what that had been about and apparently she said "That big poof tried to push in". My boss had called the police, they actually went to the trouble of going through cctv and she was left with a record for 'hate crime'. He regretted it, but for her the damage was done.

Bespin · 07/08/2018 11:56

this thread should not be taken down as nothing in it breaks the rules of the forum. the police tend to get a bit arsey when you do things like no comment to every question even your name I remember some trying that all the way to the Hugh Court it didn't go well for them. I really don't think that the OP as committed an offence in relation to this.

RatRolyPoly · 07/08/2018 11:56

That's completely true, though. It's true, also for the transwoman concerned.

Whether or not something is true has no baring on whether or not it constitutes harassment. I actually described the previous posters who made this foolish error as pretty damn dense.

"Nice tits love!", "You're ugly and your mother smells!", "you're gay!" maybe these things are true. It doesn't absolve you when you deliver them in an abusive manner and when they do (as they can) actually constitute harassment.

And hey, I wasn't there, I'm not the police; I don't know if this was harassment or not. They will undoubtedly decide. That's their job.

therealposieparker · 07/08/2018 11:57

Look if the police go to the OPs house and in a friendly way say you cannot say "blah blah" and she does, then it's far more serious.

therealposieparker · 07/08/2018 11:58

I had an amazing solicitor and friends high up in the police.... both said say NO COMMENT

therealposieparker · 07/08/2018 11:58

Harassment is ongoing Rat.... not a one off comment.

therealposieparker · 07/08/2018 11:59

We are living in strange times. All normal rules of engagement are off.

LunaTrap · 07/08/2018 11:59

Bloody hell Rat your last post is scary. Women are no longer allowed to state what they believe a woman is because a biological male might consider it a crime and if they do they have every right to call the police on them. Meanwhile misogyny still ISN'T a hate crime so those posters saying that women have to tolerate worse were being entirely accurate.

RatRolyPoly · 07/08/2018 12:00

Harassment is ongoing Rat.... not a one off comment.

You know that, I know that, not everyone who phones the police knows that.

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