organ transplant discussion on lbc right now

[Clairetree1]

anyone like to ring and explain they are opting out of organ donation because of claims of TRAs that they will be allowed to have our uteruses?

we have a health service that has just been ordered to offer fertility treatment to transpeople or face legal consequences

Wrong. A human rights watchdog expressed its opinion that the current practice was unfair. It doesn't mean the NHS has been ordered to do anything at all.

Also, they were talking about egg-freezing and sperm donation and stuff like that, not womb transplants. They already offer those services to people having medical treatment that will make them infertile. I don't think it's top priority personally but we are not talking womb transplants on any level.

On behalf of anyone with a family member who is in need of a transplant, I beg you not to try to put people off donation. From your posts, it's obvious that you don't have a clue.

My other question, would you also opt out of organ transplant to deny me, for example a kidney if I needed it?

Question about the physical characteristics of an xx body compared to an xy.....its not like there is a gap inside the xy abdomen where a womb might have gone, is there? I have vague memories of biology at school and am under the impression that the xy torso is happily filled with organs. No empty holes.

What would they remove in order to squeeze in a uterus, hypothetically? A few feet of bowel? Half the liver? Or is it supposed to just slot in nicely with no objections and no inconvenience to the xy tissue and organs, like xx stuff always is?

My opinion is, everyone is entitled to make their own choice, but frankly, if you choose not to donate then you shouldn't be allowed to receive either. (Obviously if you are unable to donate for medical reasons then that's completely different. )

I am somewhat distrustful of the OP given their comments on the latter half of the 'Can men be feminists?' thread.

You don't really seem the type to be GC given how odd your attitudes to women you are. And before you claim false, you criticised a poster who has worked with disadvantaged women for 20 years for not volunteering to help them in her free time. And said that straight white men were being disadvantaged by feminists. Very odd.

And said that straight white men were being disadvantaged by feminists. Very odd.

Jesus. The name is familiar. Haven't AS'd but I am pretty sure I have seen the OP post idiocy on other topics.

Pretty certain the weirdos that are promoting this stuff will be more interested in wombs removed from healthy young transmen than used ones from us ‘old crone types’...

you criticised a poster who has worked with disadvantaged women for 20 years for not volunteering to help them in her free time.

no I didn't, I asked her how much see volunteered and the answer was zero.

Why does wanting men to be treated fairly mean I don't want women to be treated fairly?

why can't everybody be treated fairly?

I'm not on the organ register and will be opting out of the new system. I fundamentally disagree with changing the relationship between the authorities and the citizens so that the voluntary gift element of donation is lost, and the government presumes that they own you.

However, I would never discourage anyone else from doing what their conscience dictates, and would only underline that everyone really needs to have the conversation with their family so their wishes are known and clear.

The ethical debate about a hypothetical use of transplant technology is really not a good idea to make a central plank of any argument about TRA influence.

Oh, and screenshotters gleefully making hay with this thread, be aware that a disagreement about this issue proves nothing except that you have created an atmosphere where women are so scared of your intentions they worry about wild scenarios like this.

There’s nowhere to plumb it in to. The womb isn’t just floating around - it’s attached to support ligaments etc and supplied by arteries and veins and nerves. Technically I guess you could shove bits and bobs aside to make an actual cavity but it’s all the supply and support that’s missing. This ain’t going to happen any time soon so PLEASE don’t remove yourself from the organ donor register because of it.

Nobody is going to be implanting wombs into men any time soon. What IS important and DOES need discussion is why these demands are being made, how this small vocal group of activists see women as objects to be used and harvested and how this trampling of women’s rights is happening across multiple fields at once. That’s the important stuff. What this shows up about their views of women.

barefoot that's an argument I have with husband. He's not a donor because he doesn't like needles. WTF? You're DEAD!!!! So I asked him if he'd recieve a kidney if he needed one and it stopped him in his tracks, because the answer, he realised, was yes.

He still hasn't signed up, but when opt out comes in, I will not be supporting him making the effort to opt out. Nor will I say that his wishes were to opt out if something happened now. I will not sit and let him be a hypocrite.

The HTA raised many questions concerning the boundaries of the use of human tissue kept for medical research, and rightly so.
At the time all types of samples used in pathology departments came under scrutiny. My worry is that the supply of human organs is there for someone with a business plan, here in th UK or elsewhere in the world.

It goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway.
I fully support the excellent research undertaken to advance medical knowledge to save lives. Organ donation is just one of the incredible advances.

PS I realise I'm going to get flamed and abused fort saying I'd ignore his wishes. I've told him that. If he chooses to opt out, then that's that. If he leaves it ambiguous, I'll choose for him. He knows this.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5780567/

Not pulling that transman donor completely outta my ass, btw.

Pretty certain the weirdos that are promoting this stuff will be more interested in wombs removed from healthy young transmen than used ones from us ‘old crone types’...

That is being looked at
Could the female-to-male transgender population be donor candidates for uterus transplantation?
But the recipients are female.

sociopath I agree entirely. My whole family are very vocal on organ donation because without it a very loved family member wouldn't be alive now. My dh is not massively keen on the idea but entirely understands my wishes and would still donate. Like you say, when you're dead, you're dead! You're not feeling anything anymore. Don't be selfish. Help other people to live an amazing life.

I know its less abstract for me as I've seen it once, and am watching it right now. But I've never been on the other end, the donor's family end. That end breaks my heart and I have so much gratitude and love for the family who saved my cousins life. How can I not do the same, when the time comes?

Sorry Claire, but you started a thread encouraging gender critical women to call in to a live radio show and explain why they were withdrawing their consent for organ donation (utterly vital) over fears that TRAs will 'snatch their uterus' for a medical procedure that is likely impossible, and at the very least decades away from reality, as you do admit. Even your language is inflammatory - no tw will be able to 'snatch' an organ from a dead woman (your word quoted).

If you are GC, find a better battle to take on, this one isn't it. If we'd all done as you'd encouraged in your OP we would have come across as hysterical, unreasonable fear-mongers. Not a great look for feminists.

This is what is happening though

in the real world today

transwomen are threatening to take uteruses from female donors, and women are withdrawing from the donor register because of it.

sociopath yes, we were told very little about the man who donated, just his age and where he was from. We were always extremely grateful and humbled that after his death his family chose to help other people live.

Well if they are they are idiots. It’s not possible so why the hell does it matter if some TRAs make some totally ridiculous claim? Also what evidence do you have for women opting out of organ donation?

Well stop threatening and demanding things from women. We're pretty much used to dealing with it, and our default response tends to be withdrawal as so few other options are available to us; so why are you surprised?

If you can show me evidence of a womb transplant being performed on a biological male I would be interested.
As someone said, the womb is connected to other organs- it’s not a self-contained incubator that can just be shoved into someone abdominal cavity. How do you imagine that a male body would know what to do with it, how to grow a placenta, how to release the correct amount of nutrients to sustain a baby? It’s impossible. You may as well stick a plastic bag in there. Total and utter fantasy.

They may well be threatening that Claire - but it's a threat to ignore, and certainly not one to revoke organ donation over. They can't do anything with said uterus, so until that medical procedure is close to reality, in 30 years to never, I wouldn't worry too much over it.

Claire, you sound frightened. Or you're trying to stir the pot. If its the former, I can reassure you that you will always always always be allowed, legally, morally and medically, to be buried with all your organs intact. Its called opt out because you can opt out. If its the latter,perhaps it's time to call it a day.