organ transplant discussion on lbc right now

[Clairetree1]

anyone like to ring and explain they are opting out of organ donation because of claims of TRAs that they will be allowed to have our uteruses?

This happened once in a female to female, familial transplant.

I think its happened quite a lot now..

it was only the first one, then the first uk one that were in the news, then it stops being news

So, just so I’m clear in my mind about this. You want to opt out of organ transplants, which could give long term benefits to many people, purely because you don’t want your uterus to end up in a trans woman?

You know how that sound to a lay person don’t you?

You know how that sound to a lay person don’t you?

You know that I don't give a fuck? If you didn't before, you do now.

There needs to be some sort of set up whereby donors can opt out of having some organs used in some ways.

And stay opted in for life saving donations, or having a uterus used for n infertile WOMAN.

Otherwise yes, I will opt out completely.

Yes it is life or death, both to people on the organ transplant list AND to women at risk because of TRAs unchecked power and dominance over them

.... It sounds like my body, my choice. Women are not a bag of potential organ transplants any more than they are potential wanksocks or incubators. I also never liked this shift to 'presumed consent'.

I also can't see the NHS being able to fund it. This is where the problems of a communal system being asked to satisfy every narcissistic whim of over-entitled individuals comes into sharp relief.

Its absolutely ever individuals right to choose for themselves. I am biased. I have a cousin who is alive only because he received a transplanted organ in his late teens. I have a friend currently on the waiting list (difficult term, considering she's waiting for someone to die) for a kidney transplant. Its personal, for me, but I would hate anyone else to feel bullied into doing it.

Its strange to think that I spent my teens and twenties being aware that I was being leered at by men as a slab of sexual meat. The next generation may find themselves being leered at, as literal slabs of meat. Take the breasts from her, I'll have her hair, mmmmm she's got a nice face, peel it off, I'll have it, now I need a womb.....hers I'll have hers.

Now that's a shopping list from nightmares, isn't it? Or dreams, depending on perspective.

Under the Welsh set up, which I assume is what England would use, you can either opt out completely, or opt in for specified organs only (eg heart/kidneys/corneas). So you wouldn’t have to opt out of the whole thing if you had qualms about specific possible uses of your organs.

This is the problem sociopath

It shifts organ donation from an altruistic act that saves lives to a demand based commercial/sexual transaction.

And that is the stuff of nightmares.

FWIW I remain on the organ donor register but I will be instructing my family of my wishes as well.

I have a feeling that this is related to the Human Tissue Act, prior to which there were some people with dubious motives to store human tissue or body parts for an unspecified time, without consent.

If organ donation becomes an opt out arrangement, aside from the benefits of the usual transplants that have become familiar and beneficial to many, are we likely to see financial gains from harvesting human tissues?
This sidesteps the sensible constraints brought in by the HTA but will be under the guise of 'No consent required'.

Yes, I think I'll fitness my "you can gave whatever you want" to more specific instructions, now I know. Kidneys, heart, non reproductive organs fine. Reproductive stuff goes with me, into the inferno.

Fitness? Finesse.

Post mortems would become a market of body parts and genetic material. Much needed income for the NHS?
Scary indeed.

There have been half a dozen or so live births now due to uterine transplants, all the recipients had their own ovaries afaik and had to menstruate for 6 months before getting pregnant.
A Male will never be able to have a functional Female reproductive system implanted and sustain a pregnancy - 1. because it’s not possible and 2. Medical ethics are immensely strict on embryology.

Like I previous poster - I removed myself when the conversation switched from opting in to opting out - I simply was not comfortable with the whole move toward presumed consent in terms of literally my body. If the rhetoric is now moving toward not only presumed consent, but presuming I'm OK with becoming a pick and mix selection pack for the TRA agenda... I'm definitely out. Plus the oven timer on my uterus is broken and it tries to go ping prematurely.

Cross-post from a different thread. I do think certain trans activist's goals are womb transplants for biological males.
Here is a frank Twitter thread from the Trans Pregnancy Project which talks about uterine transplants for trans women.

twitter.com/transpregnancy/status/1009386366575226881

transpregnancy.leeds.ac.uk/

Note the line in that tweet about motherhood being defined by gestation - that’s what this is about. Appropriation of another uniquely female activity.

Medical Ethics? There will always be groups that push the boundaries.

The financial gain fron a technological and physiological breakthrough is immense.
Many of us have a gut feeling about this.
We should listen to it.

Like Babelfish, I also carry a donor card.
Purely voluntarily.

Man, please do NOT phone in, anyone who is tempted. Way to make the GC movement look totally unhinged.
First off, nobody should be discouraged to opt out of organ donation- it is a vital lifeline for many with serious illnesses. Anyone trying to encourage people to come off the list should give their head a wobble.
Second, wombs are NOT on the list of organs that they take anyway. The NHS does not offer womb transplants.
Third, there has been NO successful case of implanting a womb into a natal male body. It will literally not happen in our lifetime and I would venture to say, ever.

It’s a shame womb implants weren’t possible, when I had my hysterectomy. I would have been delighted to donate my womb to one of them. They could have really know what it was like to ‘feel like a woman’. Yup. They could have had the agony of endometriosis and a ovarian cyst. The ignorant pricks would have been welcome to my womb.

jurgen I don’t know how this would affect the HTA. It’s a valid question to ask.

A lot of VERY important and valuable medical research is done using human tissue. The rules for using it are very strict and the researchers who use it are aware of the privilege it is and how altruistic donors are. I have worked in the past with people looking at Intrauterine growth restriction, multiple types of cancer (I’ve used human breast tissue preps myself) and one of my best friends works on blood cancers and uses donor tissue.

It is important that people are given the opportunity to opt IN to such things and I would hate for this to reduce the number of organ donors.

Opt out I disagree with - on a visceral level. Any work of this kind has to be informed and voluntary

Don't phone in unless you want to make us all look unhinged

What's the point of taking yourself off a register which can save multiple lives for something that isn't even scientifically possible yet

I’m sure everyone knows it’s not possible, but it’s the attitude of the creepy fuckers, that people have an issue with. I don’t like the idea that a woman’s womb could be experimented on, in order to pacify the TRA fruit loops. We have a health service that is pandering to the TRAs and letting men on female wards, so we know they will keep feeding the men’s egos.

personally, I don't think it will be possible, but that is not the point

TRAs insisting that it is possible and they will do it is making women not want to be organ donars

I can't even begin to explain how utterly stupid this makes you sound. According to the NHS website, someone dies every day waiting for an organ. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO TRANSPLANT WOMBS TO MEN EVEN IF THE NHS OFFERED WOMB TRANSPLANTS WHICH THEY DON'T. How much clearer do you want it to be? Should I try to put people off donation because I think the government will steal my brain and transplant it into UKIP-supporters?

This thread has made me really angry. My friend has a son with cystic fibrosis and he will need a transplant in the future. The thought of anyone even suggesting that women should opt out of something as important as this due to some idiotic claim by TRAs is just mind-boggling.

I don’t like the idea that a woman’s womb could be experimented on, in order to pacify the TRA fruit loops

Organ donation is not the same as leaving your body to medical science. Being on the organ donor register does not mean your body will be used in lab research.

we have a health service that has just been ordered to offer fertility treatment to transpeople or face legal consequences