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Jess Bradley - a government advisor on women's rights suspended by NUS over indecent blog. Part iii

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MipMipMip · 03/08/2018 13:54

There doesnt seem to be another part 3 coming up si here goes.

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ChattyLion · 20/08/2018 21:41

Eh? The NUS have still not said anything about one of their team being subject to these very serious allegations? It’s been days now.
Why would they not want to get right on the front foot to distance their organisation from this type of behaviour?

What is that saying to students, and everyone else, that the NUS has not done so?

R0wantrees · 20/08/2018 22:11

The NUS have still not said anything about one of their team being subject to these very serious allegations? It’s been days now.

Its an interesting to compare the widespread reactions, condemnations and reports about the 'women don't have penises' stickers.
see twitter #stickerwoman

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3331514-anti-trans-vandals-are-plastering-vile-women-don-t-have-penises-stickers-around-london

Articles:
James Kirkup concludes:
"I think the most eloquent comment I can make about Britain today and the state of the transgender debate is just to restate the facts and let readers draw their own conclusions: A feminist group is today facing the prospect of investigation by a police force and a City mayor for saying “women don’t have penises”.
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/08/is-it-a-crime-to-say-women-dont-have-penises/

www.christianpost.com/news/is-it-illegal-to-say-women-dont-have-penises-in-uk-police-investigate-mayor-gets-involved-226900/
www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/20/sticker-protest-on-antony-gormleys-beach-statues-accused-of-trans-hatred
metro.co.uk/2018/08/10/someone-going-around-leaving-anti-trans-stickers-across-london-7824983/
www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/iron-men-penis-sticker-row-15046961
www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/people-urged-tear-down-penis-15049799

ChattyLion · 20/08/2018 23:13

Indeed R0wan - very telling to contrast the speed with which some people are frothing and calling the police about some cartoony stickers with biological facts on them..

Sorry not RTFT but I wasn’t aware that Simon Blake the CEO of the NUS has just left his post.
He blogged on it here:
www.nusconnect.org.uk/articles/simon-blake-10-things-i-learnt-in-1000-days

Imagine the post-it note he’s left on the file for the next person coming in! Shock

His final points on that blog are (with my bolding):

9 Free speech is not under threat

Colleges and universities debate different ideas every day, thousands of times a day. Every now and then students protest, they are expressing their right to demonstrate concern. That is free speech and this ongoing focus on free speech is a nonsense. It is a non-issue that has been blown up into an issue.

10. Students are not ‘snowflakes’

The term has been co-opted to patronise, undermine and stop discussion on legitimate issues that younger generations have different views on. Given the importance of inter-generational dialogue it is a concept journalists and politicians could do well to erase from their vocabularies and find more positive ways to engage in dialogue. When students say they will not accept racism, transphobia or a white curriculum rather than brand them snowflakes us ‘older folk’ could do well to listen, to talk and try to understand. And even when we don’t understand we must trust that each generation has to find their own way and support them to do so.

And on that snowflake idea: there is absolutely nothing over sensitive about people who have experienced oppression and their allies believing their fundamental human rights are not up for debate.

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UndercoverGC · 20/08/2018 23:28

If anyone is being honest, there is definitely more to come about Jess 'Sorry I keep coming on to you, I have no self control when I'm drunk' Bradley.
Jess

ChattyLion · 20/08/2018 23:38

OK so the NUS chief exec has just left to go to a comparatively obscure small charity (starting in October) but the ‘succession plan’ is still being worked out for his replacement at NUS? Confused

www.thirdsector.co.uk/simon-blake-leave-nus-mental-health-organisation/management/article/1489995

Simon Blake is to leave the National Union of Students to become chief executive of Mental Health First Aid England, it has announced.

Blake, who has been chief executive of the NUS for three years, will take up his new role at the community interest company that trains people to help those around them manage their mental health on 3 October.

Our challenge at MHFA England is to achieve parity with physical first aid and the proposed legislative changes we are campaigning for will go a long way to enabling this to happen

Blake said leading the NUS "isn't always straightforward" but he had had a great time working with three different presidents.

He said he would leave this month and have a holiday before starting his new role.

Peter Robertson, his deputy, will take charge until the NUS decides on a succession plan.

MHFA England, which was set-up as a community interest company in 2009, aims to train one in 10 people in mental health first aid.

It is based in London, employs about 60 staff and had income of £2.6m in the 2016/17 financial year.

ChattyLion · 20/08/2018 23:39

Ugh bolding fail

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 21/08/2018 00:54

Pam is that a real full frontal image of Jess or has the face been photoshopped on? I've just been hooting with laughter.

theOtherPamAyres · 21/08/2018 01:02

Hi @covetclarice

The image is of Jess, but stickerwoman has covered her womanly features with a cod-piece. (courtesy of Jade Praeries, Twitter)

pombear · 21/08/2018 01:17

Ah, I'm sure most of us wouldn't have minded Jess's vulva, as all of us women have the same equipment, we're keen on demonstrating the differences in shape and sizes of vulvas to destigmatize the 'perfect vulva' trope.

And Jess, despite not believing there's a definition of what a real woman is, is just putting on display her woman's....ah, ohhh, no, sorry, it's Jess's 'impossible vagina'.

My mistake, that's a 'female' penis on display. AKA a fucking penis.

Jess seems very keen on showing off their impossible vagina - whether it's openly on a picture like this, or slightly more covertly on their 'exhibitionizm' blog where they seem to take more pleasure on whipping out said impossible vagina on buses/trains/park areas where people may not be expecting to see their impossible vagina, hence the thrill in exposing the impossible vagina.

(Note to Jess- exposing the vagina may be difficult to do so without more exposure/a speculum and a light source. Maybe it shoud have been your 'impossible vulva'?)

sunflowerglower · 21/08/2018 01:24

Its hilarious isn't it that we are debating silly willy stickers being slapped up everywhere and yet this whole NUS thing is being ignored. Now I know that the outrage is being ramped up and the literal violence about these stickers etc... BUT, it is a bit disturbing that we seemed to have created the perfect distraction from the very serious matter at hand here.... Thank you BTW theotherpamayres for that image - although 'thanks' is probably not the right word!

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 21/08/2018 01:26

Wow. So totally hidden in plain sight then.

I love Sticker Woman using the penis sticker as a fig leaf for Jess' vagina that looks like a penis. So many layers of meaning it's like looking at a bouncing mirror. Grin

ErrolTheDragon · 21/08/2018 01:46

If you can expose your vagina you've got a hell of a prolapse.Shock

Just noticed something in that NUS bods bit on 'snowflakes':
'there is absolutely nothing over sensitive about people who have experienced oppression and their allies believing their fundamental human rights are not up for debate.'

Unless they're just women, it seems? our rights are not merely up for debate, they're being grabbed with #nodebate. Hmm

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 21/08/2018 16:57

Anyone else noticed the TRAs laying low at the moment? Are they all on summer holiday? Is the Jess Bradley's errant cock situation affecting them? JB advised the govt and has been key to TELI, ATH and probably had a hand or indeed a dick in writing the NUS guidance on completing the GRA consultation. Are they all just quietly pressing all the handmaidens to complete the consultation according to Bradley's and Bradley's cock's guidance behind the scenes?

I can't help feeling like they are up to something - it's eerily quiet from the TRAs.

FloralBunting · 21/08/2018 17:04

Yep. Like when it all goes quiet and you go in the kitchen and discover your toddler son has painted the carpet with olive oil and flour.

ErrolTheDragon · 21/08/2018 17:05

They're on their summer hols, I expect.

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 21/08/2018 17:16

I hope so errol but I can't help wondering if floral is right...

Melamin · 21/08/2018 18:42

There has been a bit of anti tsvoices on twitter - maybe they are distracted for the moment.

Floral - I remember a bad incident with sudocrem. It does not wash off Sad

FloralBunting · 21/08/2018 19:04

Melamin, in said incident, toddler son was still using gorgeous baby language and said when I went in, "Cookie powder, Mama!"

I suspect I still feel far fonder of that moment than is logical.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 21/08/2018 19:15

Are the NHS chief exec leaving without "successor plan* and the Bradley situation related? I think we should be told.... Wink

ChattyLion · 21/08/2018 19:24

Itsall yes-!Certainly not an obvious career-progression type of move for the current NUS CEO.
It also seems unusual for the NUS to be moving into the new academic year (in England and Wales) while still only just working out a plan to get a CEO Hmm

Melamin · 21/08/2018 20:33

Simon Blake is ex Stonewall and ex Brook and trustee of Bath Spa.

The previous president was of the left,www.theguardian.com/education/2016/apr/22/malia-bouattia-election-nus-president-deeply-divisive-jewish-student-groups and pushed for a new trans officer. It was agreed in 2016 conference, then put into place in 2017 en-gb.facebook.com/transformNUS/ when presumably the president changed. I have been reading of the bullying row with the current president www.varsity.co.uk/news/14605 who wants the nus to be more centre. I expect that the first trans officer has not been a good advert for the post. The CEO was there longer than the last one.........

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 21/08/2018 20:50

Oh, Floral, I just had a flashback to pooh and hand cream in a cup stirred with a toothbrush because it was a "magic potion".

Sounds like the sort of thing some of them would enjoy, actually...

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 21/08/2018 20:50

Shit. So could Simon Blake have had a hand in blocking James Caspian's research into destransitioning?

Small world.