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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jess Bradley, suspended - Part II

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LaSquirrel · 30/07/2018 14:00

I thought I would kick off a part II
Part I is here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3320513-Jess-Bradley-first-transgender-student-officer-suspended-after-flashing-photos

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Agastache · 01/08/2018 13:07

Where people are just allowed to swap in-between names and genders to suit them? How are you supposed to keep track of people?

It wasn't me officer, it was Josh, I am Jess, and at least 10 years younger...

Agastache · 01/08/2018 13:12

I nicked it from a P.P. Popchyk.

Glad to be of service ma'am.

BettyDuMonde · 01/08/2018 13:12

Leads me to wonder if an in-depth investigation into JB might accidentally lead to an associate with more to lose than JB?
Direct self interest would certainly motivate a wealthy and/or powerful person to bank roll a high falutin’ lawyer - and might explain the currently baffling legal argument for ‘privacy’ in regards to a person who (allegedly) has little interest in such things.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 01/08/2018 13:14

Where people are just allowed to swap in-between names and genders to suit them? How are you supposed to keep track of people

You'd think that the security and intelligence people would be worried about this wouldn't you?

MipMipMip · 01/08/2018 13:27

Applauds Agastach.

VickyEadie · 01/08/2018 13:33

All this companies stuff - I find it intriguing...

Melamin · 01/08/2018 13:37

Where people are just allowed to swap in-between names and genders to suit them? How are you supposed to keep track of people

And birthdays - they will just have to dna test everyone which will lead to the state having more idea of your parentage than you do Hmm and they would still have trouble keeping track of the changes.

BettyDuMonde · 01/08/2018 13:46

Well, JB has campaigned on doing away with birth certificates entirely - maybe it was less about deadnaming and more about something more tangible. Like fraud?

BettyDuMonde · 01/08/2018 13:49

Being gender fluid/having two identities/legal rights to ‘forget history’ after transition etc...

If lawmakers weren’t bothered about dignity, privacy and safety for women and children, maybe they’ll be bothered about stuff like fraud?

Mossandclover · 01/08/2018 13:50

I think security and intelligence will be very used to people using a number of different names and identities. Standard fare for them I would think...

MipMipMip · 01/08/2018 14:03

If anyone feels that JB may not have been entirely honest with regard to directorship you could contact Companies House to let them know.

beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/help/contact-us

ijustwannadance · 01/08/2018 14:04

"Non-binary people’s experiences of transition related healthcare"

I don't understand this sentence. Is it about mental healthcare? What transition related healthcare does a non-binary person need exactly?

No dysphoria, no hormones, no surgery, no need to even change clothes. What transition are they actually making?

Wearing a blouse and lipstick does not require a doctors note.

BettyDuMonde · 01/08/2018 14:28

Martin was re elected AFTER those bullying allegations so it’s clear not everyone at the NUS views her as a bully.

Working class, British Jamaican, single mum - I can see why JB might not be too fond of her!

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakira_Martin_(NUS)

ReluctantCamper · 01/08/2018 14:30

yes, can't find what the outcome of those allegations was - looks like they got buried

and she was reelected with a sizable majority, so guess it didn't harm her with the voters

ReluctantCamper · 01/08/2018 14:34

could it be that JBs 2 month break from the NUS board is linked to the bullying allegations?

Shakira Martin does seem to imply that she was on the receiving end of bad treatment.

and I wonder if that directorship of NUS STUDENTS' UNION CHARITABLE SERVICES that was resigned at the same time is significant?

I wonder what NUS STUDENTS' UNION CHARITABLE SERVICES do?

neverfallingforitontwitter · 01/08/2018 14:35

Tara Hewitt / safeguarding

Jess Bradley, suspended - Part II
Jess Bradley, suspended - Part II
BettyDuMonde · 01/08/2018 14:55

I suppose it’s plausible that within a couple of months of JB’s appointment Martin or one of her deputies/co workers had discovered that Jess was not legally Jess and had her removed from paperwork while it was investigated?

I can’t imagine that J would’ve liked that very much, hence the accusations made re: Martin bullying other officers (‘literally killing them with transphobic bullying’?) culminating in a week at home for everyone and JB being quietly reinstated on the paperwork under JB’s birthname (and presumably legal name, as of Feb 18?)

Accusations of bullying must’ve come to nothing or surely Martin would’ve been prohibited from restanding?

Does that timeline match up?

(All speculative, of course)

BettyDuMonde · 01/08/2018 15:01

Tara Hewitt thinks the appropriate response to a man stomping around the words in ladies underwear is ‘nothing to see here, all perfectly normal, oh look, a squirrel - that’s why the nuts are out’ but reports parents to SS for not immediately embracing a newly confessed gender ID? Even though Tavistock and Portman advise ‘affirmation NOT confirmation’?

Red flag! Red flag! Red flag!

Melamin · 01/08/2018 15:03

That sounds about right to me - although there were no literal killings amongst this:

Another statement posted on Twitter by Jess Bradley, trans students officer at the NUS, contained some allegations about Martin’s behaviour. Bradley said: "I think they show just how difficult it is to talk to her directly, privately or through proper channels, even about relatively minor concerns".

Bradley said her working relationship with Martin was untenable and had "created a situation where NUS culture is pretty broken".

BirthCanal · 01/08/2018 15:05

yes I think thats it Betty

Undercoverswede · 01/08/2018 15:07

Does anyone here know what organisational form Action for Trans Health (allegedly in receipt of govt funding) has? NUS is a charity. The definitions of 'charitable purposes' potentially make the stated purposes of these organisations, if altered by the changes promoted by JB, a smidge iffy (e.g. the abolition of prisons, which arguably could be questioned under the rubric "detriment or harm that results from the purpose must not outweigh the benefit").

The fixation on the abolition of prisons that seems to come with JB as they move between organisations appears more persistent than even their fixation on gender issues. As does their interest in public nudity, as per the article discussed in the Manchester Evening News 2011, when 'they' were still a 'he'.

Also, "a purpose that is 'political' cannot be a charitable purpose", while a charity can "carry out 'political activity' if it facilitates or supports the delivery of its charitable purposes." The legalese on the Charity Commission's website may not be without ambiguity, but how could one argue that, for example, the political campaigning for the abolition of prisons supports trans health - or the interests of students?

BettyDuMonde · 01/08/2018 15:13

It’s hard to bullshit a black single mama from Lewisham, I reckon!

I’ve not paid much attention to student politics since graduating over a decade and a half ago, but she seems a rather interesting and unusual human being - 2 term president of the NUS without actually attending a HE institution herself (she has a different diploma from a FE college)?

I bet she pisses the entitled middle class white boys off no end!

Melamin · 01/08/2018 15:13

It appears to be a 'Charitable Company' according to its companies house submissions. It is not a registered Charity with the Charity Commission site.

AtreidesFreeWoman · 01/08/2018 15:15

Interesting link to a different case where and FOI was made to Companies House where a person registered under multiple DOB's.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/allegedfrauddatcompaniesshouse