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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jess Bradley, suspended - Part II

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LaSquirrel · 30/07/2018 14:00

I thought I would kick off a part II
Part I is here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3320513-Jess-Bradley-first-transgender-student-officer-suspended-after-flashing-photos

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Hangingaroundtheportal · 30/07/2018 21:27

Incidentally, this thread is spreading far and wide. I've just seen it referenced on Single Track World

I have just seen it on there. The level of debate is erm..... different over there isn't it?

SanctimoniousMorph · 30/07/2018 21:30

It was the Guido Fawkes site that named Josh Connor as one of the Bristol protestors:

order-order.com/2018/04/27/corbynista-mogg-thug-on-punching-women/

I've not not seen any confirmation that Bradley was there - just people speculating that one of the (half-masked) protesters looked like them.

R0wantrees · 30/07/2018 21:35

I also think it's a fairly safe bet that at least some of the individuals included as 'women' in those stats are male. So in reality the sex skew is probably higher than 99.71 per cent.

Jean Hatchet started a petition after a horrific assault against a man in the underground, it states:

'Charge a crime as a male crime, according to UK law - not by self-identified "gender"

"British Transport Police are at present allowing some alleged criminals to self-identify as female when arrested. These alleged criminals are clearly not women as eye witnesses can testify. The crime is then recorded as a female crime and reported as such to the press. An example of this was recently reported widely in the tabloid press where many were shocked to see females in a video allegedly repeatedly stomping on a man's head. The man suffered a broken eye socket. Two police officers also received injuries. The bodies of the suspects appear to be male. The bodies of the suspects appear to be wearing dresses and wigs. Eye witnesses have confirmed that the bodies were male. But the suspects were recorded as female because they said they were.

This is against the codes provided in the Police and Criminal Investigations Act 1984.

There is no provision in the PACE act 1984 to allow for self-identification other than at Code C and this relates only to the right to be searched by an officer of the opposite sex.

In the necessity of searching a suspect, guidelines suggest that a person arrested must be treated according to their "preferred gender". As such anyone identifying themselves as a woman must be searched by another woman. Even if they do not present as female. This will involve forcing female police officers to search males according to a misguided application of the Equality Act 2010.

At Code D - which is legislation for "Identification of persons by police officers" there is no such provision for self-identity or for using a "preferred gender". In fact if an intimate body search is necessary that must be preformed by a medical practitioner in order to obtain sperm and other biological information.

It seems that British Transport Police are misusing/misunderstanding the Equality Act 2010 and also misunderstanding/misapplying the provisions in the Gender Recogniton Act 2004 which refers only to the application for and use of Gender Recognition Certificates.

Suspects should be required to validate their sex as claimed upon arrest and at interview stage and certainly before a crime is reported as female to the press.

Establishing the sexed nature of crime is utterly essential to preserving the validity of crime statistics which show that most violent crime is committed by males upon other males and that most violent crime committed upon females is committed by male.

If men can simply self-identity as female against any current legal provision then no crime statistics are relevant.

We call upon the Government to commit to ensuring that the British Police are aware of the legal requirements to establish the sex of suspects. We call upon the British Government to apply the laws currently in place.

One of the reasons women are distressed by the current moves to adjust the Gender Recognition Act to allow anyone to identify as female is that males will be legally allowed to do this. Currently they are not.

Apply the law. When men commit crime. Arrest, charge, record and report them as men."

It currently has 3653 signatories

www.change.org/p/charge-a-crime-as-a-male-crime-according-to-uk-law-not-by-self-identified-gender

twitter: twitter.com/JeanHatchet

hackmum · 30/07/2018 21:38

Interesting that Bradley is yet another West Yorkshire connection, no?

R0wantrees · 30/07/2018 21:44

West Yorkshire and South Manchester!

Bespin · 30/07/2018 21:45

hackmum

sush it's the Yorkshire trans mafia, but don't tell anyone or I will have to leave God's own county lol

Ereshkigal · 30/07/2018 21:49

Yes we have two areas on our trello wall!

Ereshkigal · 30/07/2018 21:50

Two potential spheres of influence or connections

terryleather · 30/07/2018 21:52

We so need a trello board for all the connections, although I was thinking something like the Rock Family Trees would be good...

I was going to start a thread to see if we could gather some of the info & connections together but RL has got in the way today, however I remembered the thread a while back where (I think) Popchyk?!(on my phone so not able to check names or post links soz) outlined connection between Mermaids, West Yorkshire Police and MESMAC for starters plus these JB threads have thrown up more...

Bespin · 30/07/2018 21:58

seriously. this is like CSI mumsnet lol by linking these completely unlinked things what exactly.are.you hoping to show?

Cooroo · 30/07/2018 22:00

Just made my first post on Singletrack in years (I left it for Mumsnet!). Wonder if the OP is from here?

AngryAttackKittens · 30/07/2018 22:01

In combination with the fiasco in Leeds it's looking like werewolves are the least of your worries if you're a woman in West Yorkshire.

Bespin · 30/07/2018 22:02

wow hold on what's the werewolves thing.dont tell me we have them too

Procrastinator1 · 30/07/2018 22:05

Anyone know if the UK trans movement is linked to Ireland and if so how?

Bespin · 30/07/2018 22:08

Procrastinator1

I think we talk to each other on the internet sometimes we visit each other it's quite a short flight these days.

Bespin · 30/07/2018 22:08

AngryAttackKittens

is that a Slaughtered Lamb reference lol

R0wantrees · 30/07/2018 22:09

How do you know what's "completely unlinked" Bespin?

cf 2013 Guardian article, 'Voices from the trans community: 'There will always be prejudice'

(extract)
"In 25 years, [James Barrett lead clinician at the Charing Cross Gender Identity Clinic] has seen trans people become "a networked bunch" – more so than other people, he thinks – thanks to the internet. [Paris Lees], who also works for Trans Media Action, says social media is the "essential catalyst" for the transformation of trans people in society. "Society is in transition and we've woken up from the operation and there's no going back. We can't pretend that trans people don't exist any more," she says. "People have been taking the piss out of trans people for 60 years. The narrative on trans issues has been controlled by people who have no understanding of them. Social media is about us grabbing the narrative back and telling our own stories – this is our reality, this is what we go through and this is what matters to us. We're here, we're in your face, we definitely exist. That's the most important thing – realising we exist." (continues)

www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/22/voices-from-trans-community-prejudice

this is a significant article which provides important background

Anlaf · 30/07/2018 22:10

CSI Mumsnet

Would watch

HotRocker · 30/07/2018 22:14

Derailing again?

Bespin · 30/07/2018 22:15

R0wantrees cos I'm from here and know the Mesmac case. there is no big conspiracy there are organisations that didn't take safegurding seriously as they were run by volunteers and they should have done some of us pushed for that in these places and a more professional approach I'm glad that is finally happening it should have a long time ago. there is a problem with lgbt community lead projects as they often start out as voluntary with little checks or policies in place

Bespin · 30/07/2018 22:15

HotRocker your all making a good job of that yourselves nothing to do with me

BirthCanal · 30/07/2018 22:16

But this sounds so like what Simon Whittle said

BirthCanal · 30/07/2018 22:18

The thing Paris said I mean

BirthCanal · 30/07/2018 22:27
Hmm