Public Service Announcement

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When you see threads plopped into FWR, especially the curious repeat of well worn subjects, I recommend you check for poster history before engaging.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads being referenced on twitter with screen shots & flagging in either MNHQ or outlets to try & get articles commissioned.

Saul Alinsky?
That takes me back in time.

A lot of these posts at the moment sound like they come from teenage philosophy students, impressed by their own brilliance for reading a bit of Plato they think they can come on here and use the socratic method to illuminate the dark 'transphobic' cave of Mumsnet for us :/ After that TRA posted their repentant blog on Medium and it got put in the Guardian it seems that this is the new tactic, to reeducate 'engage' with the feminists. All so f*ing patronising and misogynistic. I still appreciate reading the responses of the regular posters though.

Crikey is it nearly time for a new thread?

Anyone up for summarising what is useful to know for the next PSA? Assuming it's still required.

DEFINITELY still required.

teenage philosophy students, impressed by their own brilliance for reading a bit of Plato they think they can come on here and use the socratic method to illuminate the dark 'transphobic' cave of Mumsnet for us

It's popular:

In the summer of 2015, she noticed an unprecedented level of traffic towards a piece entitled “Why is stoicism having a cultural moment?” and went down a rabbit hole to determine why. The results stunned her: men – or rather, misogynists – were using an armchair enthusiasm for the classics to justify manifestos of hate against women. The results were spreading online under a pseudo-intellectual guise, twisting ancient world philosophy to buttress a contemporary hatred of feminism. And it wasn’t a one-off.
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But in the case of stoicism’s sudden revival, Zuckerberg found that an active corner of Reddit was applying Hellenistic philosophy to explain the pain and hardship white western men were suffering in the 21st century. Except these men didn’t consider themselves angry – they considered themselves oppressed.

“The ancient world was deeply misogynistic – it was a time when there was no word for rape, feminism did not exist and women’s actions were determined by male relatives,” says Zuckerberg. But now the classical texts are being “distorted and stripped of context” online to lend gravitas to campaigns of misogyny and white supremacy. Not only is it toxic but, as Zuckerberg calmly outlines in her new book, Not All Dead White Men , it is deeply dangerous.

www.theguardian.com/books/2018/nov/11/donna-zuckerberg-social-media-misoyny-violence-classical-antiquity-not-all-dead-white-men

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3420810-Donna-Zuckerberg-Social-media-has-elevated-misogyny-to-new-levels-of-violence

Still required.

I see a couple of new recruits have arrived to join the bonnet-wearing throng.

It is very helpful for those of us unlearned in the works of Bunbury.

"You're derailing by not meekly allowing my derailment to proceed as planned" is a fascinating new development in cheeky fuckery.

“A lot of these posts at the moment sound like they come from teenage philosophy students, impressed by their own brilliance for reading a bit of Plato they think they can come on here and use the socratic method to illuminate the dark 'transphobic' cave of Mumsnet for us ”

DS comes home from University this week. I’m guessing the other Universities are winding down, too, hence the influx.

It's very much the 'softly-softly' look how helpful we are, taking the re-education to where they they froth and protest in the darkness.

For header post/s of next thread?

Guardian Guide (upthread)?
Zuckerberg Greek findings (above)?
Stanford and Cornell community disruptor research?

What else needs to be there?

Someone has complained that women are saying no. Says it all, doesn't it?

And HQ removed a thread - the implications of telling women they must not say no seemingly evade the mods.

arran

'Bunbury news'?

Yes, Bunbury!

It's very much the 'softly-softly' look how helpful we are, taking the re-education to where they they froth and protest in the darkness.

This is the tactic the anti-suffrage movement used! Those women initially refused to be public speakers (not ladylike), had nice little educational teas with the nobility and recruited men to do the talking (and then the men took over, no surprise, nudging the otherwise intelligent women more towards the suffrage movement).

The more I learn about suffragette history the more parallels I see with today. Historians in fifty years are going to have some really fun dissertations to write.

OP for next thread?

The Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

This is a continuation of the first Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3321127-public-service-announcement

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we’ve had several community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments than they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls.

Links to other bits and pieces in following posts to the OP?

I despair that the thread on women saying 'no' was taken down on an online forum for women's rights. Just wow.

I like that, Arran.

New thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3438714-Bunbury-s-Public-Service-Announcement-2?watched=1

I despair that the thread on women saying 'no' was taken down on an online forum for women's rights. Just wow.

I didn't see that one, but there's another now.

So I see.

What was the reason they have for taking that thread down?

Why it was deleted:

Message from MNHQ: We've had a look at this thread and we don't feel it's in the spirit of the site, really. As we say in our guidelines on the subject of these threads: 'We do not want Mumsnet to be a place that feels inherently hostile to any group, be that trans people, gender-critical feminists or anyone else (except perhaps trolls). If you can abide by our rules – the spirit and not just the letter – we want you to feel you can be a part of the community.'

We do think that this thread feels a bit hostile. While we are happy to host discussion about single-sex spaces we don't think this thread is contributing to that debate and so we've deleted it.

Part 2 thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3438714-Bunbury-s-Public-Service-Announcement-2?watched=1