Jess Bradley, first transgender student officer, suspended after flashing photos

[CaitlynsCat]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6003331/Britains-official-transgender-student-officer-suspended.html

"Shocking images on the site show an individual flashing while sitting in a train carriage, in a public park and at a bus stop.

Another photograph shows male genitals being exposed in an office close to a curved wooden desk that is strikingly similar to a picture of a work desk that Ms Bradley posted on her Facebook page. "

The photo have been archived on archive.is, you can search there under the domain exhbitionizm.tumblr.com and include lots of flashing shots.

Bradley has commented:

" I appreciate at this time there is a lot of speculation about my conduct and I am able to tell you that I am confident that none of my behaviour has been unlawful, and that I have not engaged in sexual activity with anyone, or in the view of anyone, without their consent. "

VickyEadie, I thought you probably did, but I laid out my reasoning because I don't want anyone (TRA or beleaguered woman feeling the pressure to use nonsense pronouns) to think that I am in any way capitulating to the compelled speech.

likeacrow: the tide is already turning. We started with some pockets of resistance - this forum, A Woman's Place, Janice Turner writing bravely in the Times - but gradually it's building momentum. More and more journalists are writing about this stuff, more and more people are speaking out. We're definitely able to stop the GRA. I think what has happened today with Bradley is going to be a turning point. This is a person Maria Miller and others took advice from. They're going to have to back pedal like fury.

Not sure if anyone has pointed this out to likeacrow but many of the men transitioning now are straight men. And they don’t get every surgery and don’t want to - their transition often consists of merely adopting a female name. Some don’t even shave their beards! There is a famous trans woman called Alex like this.

That’s the crucial missing info I needed to understand how I felt about this. I don’t personally object to accepting traditional transsexuals as loosely a subset of women, for most purposes except for sports. Traditional transsexuals are gay men who usually get surgery to make their bodies more like women’s.

The whole problem is coming from the fact these straight men claim they literally ARE women and should be treated as such, penises and all. It presents all kinds of practical problems, but what disturbs me more is the way it destabilises the meaning of the word “woman” and makes it utterly useless.

likeacrow

The government has launched an open consultation on the Gender Recognition Act. They say that they are persuaded that the process of legally recognising someone's self-defined gender must be made much easier.

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/reform-of-the-gender-recognition-act-2004

Jess Bradley (see other thread on here) was one of the people that the government consulted with in order to reach that conclusion.

Women's and Equalities Minister Penny Mordaunt has said that the starting point for the consultation is that transwomen are women.

They seem to be saying that people knew about the conduct but thought it best to stay silent."

Given the effort to dismantle safeguards for children, this needs to be shouted loud & clear. These are not people who should have any influence or input in forming public policy or laws.

It's called a trello board

Thanks for that floof - the things one learns on MN!

I would have no idea how to compile (is that the correct word?) one either, but I wish I did...

Just to add to Hygge's post, to likeacrow or anyone else who's reading and thinking, yeah, but surely we'll still be able to question people in sex-segregated places.

Canada's a little further down the line in terms of the erosion of female spaces:

edition.cnn.com/2015/03/07/living/feat-planet-fitness-transgender-member/index.html

The woman who complained about a male-bodied person in the changing rooms apparently was barred from the gym because the way she went about complaining (ie- letting other women there know that there may well be a male-bodied person in the changing rooms).

likeacrow don't feel got at. Really truly seriously, your questioning stance is welcome (because most of the people here know, for a fact, that once someone starts asking questions, there's no going back. The Emperor will never be viewed as clothed again).

(I sound dead authorative don't I. That's because I lurked and lurked and then lurked some more here before I ever dared say anything, and I still don't say much. Which is not to say, that's what you should do! But, seriously, the advice to look around this board a little, and read a little, is really good advice; it can feel very scary not being able to keep up with the thinking here, but that's because the place is full of intelligent women that have thought and thought, but with a bit of thinking you will be right in here),

House of Commons Women and Equalities Committee
Transgender Equality
First Report of Session 2015–16

publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201516/cmselect/cmwomeq/390/390.pdf

You can do a search on Jess Bradley within that document.

SlothSlothSloth - so many Alex it might be. Where you thinking of Alex "I'm widening the bandwidth of how to be a woman" Drummond: This Transgender Woman Has Full Beard and She Couldn't Be Happier?

Yes arran, that’s the one! The name slipped my mind.

WTF is the NUS doing. DD is at a University where property prices rising sharply, where the University is hell bent on expansion lstripping existing pastoral care to the bare bones, where as a cost saving measure they are getting rid of hall wardens, where welfare is barely functioning, and where the suicide rate is both sad and appalling.

Yet the student union is focussed on no-platforming feminist groups.

Students are supposed to be grown-ups, so student unions should be able to deal with adult issues. The NUS faffing about transgender issue when there are some very real issues affecting students feels like the band on the Titanic.

to traditional ideas about gender. "I'm widening the bandwidth of how to be a woman well someone certainly has a high opinion of their own self importance.

TheMostBeautifulDogInTheWorld I don't feel got at, but thank you for saying that It's been eye opening and informative. I felt like I must be missing something and I think what I was missing was that basically anyone can self ID at any point, say they're a woman and have access to female only spaces, even if they have no intention of ever living as a woman and even if they change their minds immediately.

So essentially the issue is with males self IDing as females as opposed to with transsexuals per se.
I get it and I feel much clearer in my head about it all now. Although worried and fearful for the future at the same time!

I've got a question. How do feminists feel about being on the same "side" as publications such as the Daily Mail in this debate? (Just seen BoreOfWhabylon's link). Is there a conflict there? It's a genuine question from a genuine female with no axe to grind, just really interested.

Manichean spotted.

Thats exactly it pam ayres. Hiding in plain sight - they feel untouchable as these males are claiming the ultimate in victim status. Trans is now the go to cover for every male that wants to gain access to women and children. They are also ensuring they are getting themselves in key positions where they can influence policy and flout safeguarding

why isn't Alex widening the bandwidth of how to be a man.

I think Alex is actually doing that, but hasn't realised.

The Daily Mail has long fought against attempts to restrict its reporting, so will invest resources to fight Carter and Ruck.

Difficult one for those who would like to see the Mail reporting restricted or who supported attempted boycotts of their advertisers. Both have been also been tried with MN, and I assume almost everyone is delighted that Justine et al have shown backbone.

I think it is like the Arab saying: "my enemy's enemy is my friend." Swallow hard and it will be fine!

My personal view is that free speech is so important. Whether feminist groups wanting to examine the implications of gender self -identity, Labour MPs questoning their party's policy of anti-semitism, or people voicing things I disagree with as long as I get a chance to argue back. So credit where it is due to the DM. Though on the whole I wil stick to the sidebar of shame.

“Morning Jess, we’re just about to start the safe space pet therapy worksh..............sorry, I thought you were someone else.”

hackmum
I wonder what Owen "wrong side of history" Jones will have to say for himself then?

I imagine he'll say much the same as our favourite MN TRAs have said on this thread... ;)
whistles nonchalantly

most men who have some sort of trans identity that gives them access to women's spaces are visibly male, so we would normally still know we were in the presence of a male and change our behaviour and response to that space accordingly (& however unconsciously).

And some women would avoid those spaces altogether because of their awareness that any man in there could claim to ID as a woman and he'd have the law on his side.

*why isn't Alex widening the bandwidth of how to be a man.

I think Alex is actually doing that, but hasn't realised.*

Exactly! I actually am all for what Alex is doing in terms of deviating from conventionally masculine presentation, and I think it’s a look that works pretty well for them too. But to claim to literally be a woman just because of wearing a dress renders something that should be subversive utterly conformist.