The vast majority of male born transwomen still retain a penis

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fairplayforwomen.com/penis/

Stats for arguing with waiverers.

Thank you Datun!

Bathroom is only ever for rooms with a bath in them

In my mind, I usually imagine that a public one would have an avocado suite.

Also not the point of the thread either, but it's operations, not "surgeries".

Is it? CDC numbers in the USA show that "forced envelopment" happens almost as much as women are raped by men. The only difference here is one is legally considered rape and so taken more seriously than the other.

Go fucking well friendly I'm out. I was prepared to discuss real stuff not horseshit.

Further to another post upthread, I just wanted to note this hasn't affected my respect for hill and tryingtolisten. I'm done engaging with this TRA though.

Bathroom is only ever for rooms with a bath in them

In my mind, I usually imagine that a public one would have an avocado suite.

Would the women's have those crocheted crinoline lady covers on the bogrolls?

Yes, going to the bathroom sounds very grand.

I expect goldplated taps and the prolonged use of one of those big powderpuffs.

Is anyone else having the most bizarre mental image of a man nervously looking at a woman who is staring at him with narrowed eyes, in a confined space, and him experiencing the instant fight or flight reaction that so many men experience with fear of forced envelopment?*

Exactly. We all know that situation when you're walking home alone and the man crosses the road and starts to walk faster and gets a bit breathless and panicky and gets his phone in his hand just in case even while he's telling himself to keep calm it's probably fine because he is scared that woman is going to attack, mug or rape him. You know, that.

Avocado suites are making a comeback!

Our local Masonic Hall has ‘Gents Toilets’ and ‘The Powder Room’ as signage.

Guaranteed to make me go ‘Because women don’t shit, right Masons?’ Whenever anyone asked me where the ladies room was.

Years back, shops used to have signs saying conveniences.

I'm not your sons or even a son. I'm a daughter and a woman. Why should I use the men's room

If you have a penis you are a biological man. Use the toilet for your biological sex or campaign to make the men's gender neutral.

I love ‘Convenience’ because it sure ain’t convenient when you can’t find one and have menstrual blood snaking down your thigh.

THere was a really interesting segment on R4 last week about the significance of public toilets for women. It has relevence!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3309317-Radio-4-Making-HIstory-A-history-and-background-to-the-first-public-loos-for-women

Also, it reminds me of this ‘71 Carry On Film:

See also Museum of London:

"How a roll of commemorative toilet paper tells a hidden story about women's rights, from workplace discrimination to just being able to leave the house.

Now on display at the Museum of London is this newly acquired roll of toilet paper, printed with a seated women in late-Victorian costume and the legend "Sitting comfortably? Thanks to the courage and tenacity of pioneering women in law, now we all can."

The toilet roll has been created by the First 100 Years project, a campaign to celebrate the history of women in the legal profession since 1919, when the Sex Disqualification (Removal) Act made it illegal to ban people from jobs based on their sex. However, many businesses used excuses to avoid hiring women, notably that they couldn't adapt their workplaces to accommodate them.

The founder of The First 100 Years, Dana Denis-Smith, said: “As we collected stories of women in the legal profession, one story came up repeatedly - and it stood out: the lack of sanitary facilities for women as a reason to reject them when applying for jobs in law firms. The artefact is a visual representation that we felt empowers women to share their own experience in a dignified but striking way. It represents the collective voice of those that faced such a ridiculous obstacle."

www.museumoflondon.org.uk/discover/womens-right-work-toilet-bathroom-victorian-london-wwi-factory-protest

I'm still astonished that someone came on here and tried to insist that women are as rapey as men...

Years ago I went to the house of a very posh elderly couple. The husband was an ex-ambassador or something. It was mid summer so I was wearing as little as I could get away with. When I entered the wife asked if I’d like to use the cloakroom. I was stupefied with confusion for a minute, then I realised she meant the bog.

My granny had a real thing about being 'U' - she liked to apply it to both toilets and ladies' legs. Her preferred word for the toilet was the Dub. We could only assume that was her U abbreviation of WC.

What did she call women's legs?

She wrinkled her nose at those that weren't slender, shapely and long (like her own) and simply whispered in horror under her breath, "Non-U."

Spending a penny

Currently more like 30p, IME.

My MIL calls it 'pennying' and 'pulling [the chain]' as in her immortal phrase 'Remember to pull when you've finished pennying, darling!', which had my offspring first baffled and then convulsed.

(Given she's nearly 6 ft in her socks, she can probably get away with standing in a public loo trumpeting 'Have you pulled, darling?' at a closed door. I don't plan to try it myself.)

And my very non-U gran used to call it 'going through', which I took to mean something biological, but apparently was shorthand for 'going through the kitchen and out to the Little Room in the yard'.

My ex mother in law (from the US Bible Belt) calls it ‘going potty’.

Something definitely got lost in translation when she was here visiting!

(Also, everything has the prefix ‘fixing to’ so saying she needed a wee was ‘fixing to go potty’)

As you say, it's the opposite of feminism encouraging women to find their voices

I think the women here have found their voices. They're all saying NO in unison. Maybe it's your hearing that's the issue, I'd certainly suggest you work a bit harder on finding yours.

Random - did anyone else believe when they were a child that a monster lived in the loo and might burst out of it and attack them when they flushed? Whenever I had to pee at night I would stand there afterwards poised to run, flush, dash out of the toilet and all the way into my room, and then creep back cautiously to wash my hands (as the monster would be gone by then, obvs). My mum caught me doing it and was initially baffled, then thought it was the funniest thing ever.

I'm still astonished that someone came on here and tried to insist that women are as rapey as men...

I know...you just have to ask yourself what sort of person even does that???