The vast majority of male born transwomen still retain a penis

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fairplayforwomen.com/penis/

Stats for arguing with waiverers.

Don’t you just love it when people who are not women come into threads where women are discussing their specifically female experiences and concerns, in order to tell us how we’re experiencing and doing womaning all wrong?

Oh, spoiler alert: we don’t love it at all, and we can spot it ten paces against the wind, because it happens to us ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

How am I being unfriendly here exactly?

You are pushing an agenda that will remove single sex spaces. Removing single sex spaces will lead to a reduction in safety for women and children.

It matters not one whit if an individual transwoman is changing invisibly - what matters is the erosion of our spaces and boundaries.

If you can’t respect women’s boundaries and other transwomen on this very thread can and do then that is a huge red flag.

In a public space like a public bathroom? Your boundaries kinda get limited to the reasonable expectation of privacy. That is to say that as long as I'm not doing anything creepy or weird, and I'm just there to use the facilities and leave? I'm respecting all legitimate boundaries.

I don't think you have a legitimate boundary which extends into the cubicle next to yours and have no right to decide that person doesn't get to be there because you personally believe they aren't a woman, or that penises are weapons of mass destruction.

Its not a redflag. I just have self respect and won't kowtow to people who treat me badly because I'm unfortunate enough to live an existence which isn't supported by their ideological perspective.

I'm sure you, as supposed feminists, can understand this. :)

Male bodies in spaces designated for females are not respecting boundaries or complying with a ‘reasonable expectation of privacy’.

Not all changing rooms have cubicles. Showers are often communal.

But punishing me because some people who have the same chromosomes as me are bad people? I will not abide!

Why not? I'd expect my sons to abide by sex segregation. That's why I mentioned them. It doesn't imply that I think they are rapists.

I've just shown this thread to a friend who was previously 'live and let live' about self ID. She gets it now. (Hi B! ) Please don't report any MRA type posts on this thread - they should remain... helps make it all clear.

Psst, BabelFish - A tiny number of people think sex is a binary - I think your autocorrect may have TRAed you here.

YourFriendlyNeighbourhoodTrans wrote - "the percentage of the male population currently in prison for all crimes (the vast majority of which are non violent) the number comes out to about 0.2%.
I don't deny that if you experience violence in your lifetime it will likely be a man commuting (sic) the violence. However, I do disagree with you that this is grounds for distrusting all men, males or even people who have penises as each individual you run into only has a 0.2% chance of being a criminal."

Prisoners are only a subset of criminals. The 0.2% percentage (or 1 in 500) is for the proportion of men who are currently in prison in the UK. It does not refer to the number of male criminals in the UK. The percentage of men in the UK who have engaged in criminal activity and perhaps even served a prison sentence in their past is, however, much larger than 0.2%. (For example, in England and Wales (2006), 24% of males aged between 10 and 52 had a criminal record).

Despite "only" 29% of prison sentences being for violent crime, the chance of meeting a violent male (criminal or not) is also much more than 0.2%.

YourFriendlyNeighbourhoodTrans

You really ought to stop typing. Or, at the very least, take a look at some of the threads on here.

You are tediously predictable.

Do not use intersex. Transwomen are not intersex. The intersex society has insisted they not be invoked to further the argument of trans ideology.

Apart from anything else, attitudes to surgery between trans and intersex are diametrically opposed.

And you are just digging yourself a bigger hole with the rapists don't take notice of signs nonsense.

Voyeurism is rampant in female intimate spaces. Men hide in cisterns, for goodness sake. Men who are not allowed in female spaces go to extraordinary lengths to access them. If you go to female changing rooms, or indeed family changing rooms, repaired holes in the walls is not a rarity.

Men do not need to rape women to make women feel desperately distressed. The reason you are setting the bar so low is, again, because you don't understand. Eleven million posts in under 24 hours. MeToo was not all about rape.

You are not listening.

A man can make a woman feel desperately threatened, uncomfortable and distressed without breaking any law, whatsoever.

A raised eyebrow, an overlong stare, a smirk. Moisturising his thighs...

The fact is every time a TRA or MRA comes out with this stuff we have to start with Feminism 101.

But guess what. Women are saying no.

It's not the beginning of a negotiation. It's not an opinion.

It's a declaration.

No.

Agreed, Telephone. As tedious as it is for those of us who've read all this bollocks before it really is illuminating for those encountering it for the first time, especially with the addition of smilies used as a way of saying "fuck you, ladies, there's nothing you can do about it!"

because anyone who would attack another person doesn't give a heck if they "aren't allowed" in those spaces.

I expect someone has already explained this, but here goes.

Under the old rules if I sent my daughter into the toilets/changing room/bedroom and a guy followed her in I'd drag him out again and call the police.
Under new rules I must assume he is a girly and I must not even check my daughter is safe as that would be rude.

If it helps we make burglary illegal even though people could enter your house anyway.

i had a search for more information about the forced penetration issue, and found this.
www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/29/cdc-mra-claims-that-40-of-rapists-are-women-are-based-on-bad-math-and-misuse-of-our-data/comment-page-1/

Which explained that it was all based on poor analysis of data from here.
www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf

Actual figures are
Nearly 1 in 5 women in the United States has been raped in her lifetime (18.3%) (Table 2.1). This translates to almost 22 million women in the United States.
Approximately 1 in 71 men in the United States (1.4%) reported having been raped in his lifetime, which translates to almost 1.6 million men in the United States
Approximately 1 in 21 men (4.8%) reported having been made to penetrate someone else in his lifetime

Most perpetrators of all forms of sexual violence against women were male. For female rape victims, 98.1% reported only male perpetrators. Additionally, 92.5% of female victims of sexual violence other than rape reported only male perpetrators

The majority of male rape victims (93.3%) reported only male perpetrators. For three of the other forms of sexual violence, a majority of male victims reported only female perpetrators: being made to penetrate (79.2%)

According to these figures, men rape women in about 5 times the numbers that men are forced to penetrate women.

I actually find even that hard to believe, that a typically smaller, weaker woman can overpower a man and force him into sex. Do men actually get aroused when in a situation where they are terrified for their life and being forced into sex with someone they are not attracted to?

Betty
I've already stated I won't use rooms which dont have cubicles. Not because I think "ew males in muh female spaces!!!" but because I have dysphoria and that whole idea is a nightmare for me mentally.

As I said... 99% of the time you'll never even know I was in there. And that 1% is the few times when I've been asked by other women for tissue or tampons or whatever.

Lancelottie
I'm not your sons or even a son. I'm a daughter and a woman. Why should I use the men's room?

A tiny number of people think sex is a binary

More than 6 billion is a tiny number when compared to the vastness of infinity, or some shit like that, right?

So all this "Let's have a conversation" thing was really, "whatever ever women say I'm going to do what I want anyway."

I swear, if women ceded the word woman to men and called themselves squirrels, men would be stuffing nuts in their cheeks and dangling off bird feeders inside of 20 minutes.

I'll tell you for free what it feels like to be a woman. Irritated and tired of having to say the same thing over and over again, that's how it feels.

The CDC ‘rape’ statistics aren’t linked to crime though. The definitions are problematic and I for one am extremely sceptical of ‘they made me do it’ as an excuse for inserting your penis into someone else and then telling a survey this was a sexual crime against you.
The rates are interesting, and deserve further research where definitions are clear. I can’t find the actual research doc, but I would be interested in their methodologies.
Either way, sex segregated spaces would also prevent people with penises from being forced to insert them into women, wouldn’t they?
Win win. Protect those guys I say.

It’s not about you though, neighbourhood, it’s about RULES.

The rules are, no male bodies in ANY female designated spaces, and you are trying to chip away at them.

And we say NO. It’s not about YOU and it’s not about US, it’s about our daughters and our mothers and women who are more vulnerable than us, women that speak English as a second language or who have been traumatised by men in the past, it’s about women in secure mental hospitals and prisons and on NHS wards.

Crone
"I actually find even that hard to believe, that a typically smaller, weaker woman can overpower a man and force him into sex. Do men actually get aroused when in a situation where they are terrified for their life and being forced into sex with someone they are not attracted to?"

This is rather a disgusting comment. Would you say the same thing about women who are rape victims? The implication here is that to be forcefully enveloped, one must be aroused - but physical arousal is a result of stimulation and just as with women who are victims, its not a controllable part of your body in any way. That is to say, victims of rape shouldn't be looked down upon because they got wet or hard. Don't be like this.

furthermore, women are only typically smaller and weaker than men - not always. Not to mention most of the cases of women raping men that I've seen used weapons. I posted on case already which used a machete, here's another which used a knife.

www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2017/11/woman_18_accused_of_raping_man_1.html

It's hardly unique to 'supposed feminists' to be able to spot, and be automatically wary of, a male body in a private female space.

(Or indeed a female one amongst males, but the level of justifiable wariness is much lower.)

As it happens, I'm not too worried about public loos. Go in, see someone who sets your senses tingling, smile politely and leave. If it's not the only loo available to you, the risk is small. The situations that worry me are where there is no choice to leave - schools, prisons, camps, locked wards, patients needing same-sex carers.

I don't think you have a legitimate boundary

^^That pretty much sums up Trans Ideology in a handy bite sized sentence.

This is a derailment. The topic at hand is about rape - as apparently sex crime

Again you're not getting this.

You ackknowledge, I believe, that sex offending is about power, not sex.

Women not have the physical power, nor the influence to hold over men as a threat in order to get sex from them.

I can't believe I actually had to type that.

Yourfriendly
I'm not sure if you've chosen to read much that has been discussed on the FWR chat board?

These are some relevent threads which may be of interest:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3203454-What-do-you-use-the-womens-toilets-for

Not sure if you are based in the UK (& obviously not asking) but posters on this thread did identify laws / regulations which may be being disregarded:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3243189-Uncomfortable-about-unisex-toilets-at-work

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3183434-Wrong-bathroom-sign-in-university-toilet

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3280690-Hostelling-Scotland-allows-men-to-self-ID-as-women-and-have-access-to-womens-dorms-and-shower-rooms

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3286751-Male-who-IDs-as-female-calls-police-after-being-denied-entry-to-female-toilets

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3237230-NUS-Conference-breaks-down-after-the-UK-Border-Force-Arrive

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3286124-The-case-against-only-offering-unisex-toilets-and-showers-including-single-occupant-ones

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3203737-This-advice-isnt-right-from-Stonewall-is-it

there are as you would expect many more threads & discussions

I don't think you have a legitimate boundary

That pretty much sums up Trans Ideology in a handy bite sized sentence.

Indeed. Also pairs nicely with the "men don't like being told" thread.

To any women, or lurkers on here, who are struggling to read to this misogyny.

Please be aware that more people are aware of it, the less likely it is to continue.

Datun, I've posted two examples counter to the narrative you believe in - and a government ran phone survey which also counters your narrative.

I can't believe you're still saying it despite the evidence to the contrary.