The vast majority of male born transwomen still retain a penis

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Stats for arguing with waiverers.

YourFriendlyNeighbourhoodTrans - that's an ironic username, btw - you seem to have completely missed the point while scoring an own goal. Sure there's some sporting metaphor if only I could be arsed.

Your argument that you need to use women only spaces for safety completely falls apart if women pose exactly the same risk to you that you say men do*. There's your own goal.

• Though there's no evidence men do pose a risk to TW and, if they do you can always call the police.

But the point you're missing is that we know from centuries of experience that excluding males from spaces where women are naked or otherwise vulnerable is the first line of defence. That's why aid agencies and the UN prioritize such spaces for refugees.

You write: when I say rape, I mean the common definition which does include women as rapists, I do not agree with the legal definition.

There is no common definition of rape that includes women raping men. And you not agreeing with the legal definition is entirely irrelevant.

As Datun said there are 14,000 men in prison for sex offences and 120 women. It doesn't matter how you cut that up. Two women are week are murdered by men. Not the other way round.

This particular attempt at a derail was ubiquitous on feminist forums that attract MRAs maybe 6 or so years ago? I'd strongly suggest that we not engage, since it's quite clearly nonsense.

(So old school I feel like doing the TimeWarp.)

"stop derailing by discussing relevant points to the discussion reee"

It isn't derailment to say things you don't like hearing. Literally everything I've said is relevant to the topic or is a response to something someone else mentioned ie the pics of Char that keep getting posted...

anyway... I'm really gonna go leave this thread now. Got stuff to do. See ya pals

when I say rape, I mean the common definition which does include women as rapists, I do not agree with the legal definition.

There is no ‘common definition’ in UK law that doesn’t involve a penis.

You disagree? Yes there seem to be quite a few bits of the law people don’t agree with. Burglars are probably not terribly fond of the ability to use reasonable force to defend your home. Murders are probably a tad put out by ending someone’s life being illegal.

It’s so inconvenient.

So old school I feel like doing the TimeWarp.

It literally takes them no time at all for their true colours to spill out does it?

The pic of the person with the death threat tattooed on them, holding a weapon?

I’m sure they’re absolutely charming in real life.

quick straw poll for the thread - is there anyone else here with a death threat tattooed upon their person?

It’s so inconvenient.

Isn't is just? Bloody laws preventing men from doing things that they'd really really like to do, there ought to be a law against that instead!

*Got stuff to do. See ya pals

Forgive me if I've got this a bit wrong, but I was thinking about the comparison upthread about certain deprived neighborhoods that have a majority black population versus men.
The reasons those neighborhoods can be a dangerous place for some isn't race, it's poverty. Poverty often does lead to crime, regardless of the race of people living there.
Why are some of those neighborhoods so poor? I suspect a good deal of institutional racism involved there. So that awful analogy is doubly racist.
Male sex offenders can come from all walks of life. I've read the Schroeder's rapist description and it makes a very valid point.

Ooooh, The Timewarp?

What happened to ‘Sweet Transvestites’ like Frank? Can we have them back now please?

Usually? Its because men aren't organising against our rights and acceptance in society. A small group of women are, and acting like their idea of womanhood is the only justification they need for that.

This is hilarious.

Oh my God, you silly women, men aren't up in arms about women trying to beat them at sport, or women trying to get into their prisons, or women trying to enter their changing facilities and toilets.

It's only women doing that!

That proves I'm not being misogynistic or sexist!!

How many times do we see this. Someone using sexism to disprove misogyny.

I'm amazed FriendlyNeighbourhoodTrans is still here.

Does the 3 strikes and you're out policy not apply to rape apologists and misogynists? Not that I want the posts deleted, they should stand as evidence, but surely this isn't the type of poster MNHQ should allow to hang around.

I’ve got a shopping list tattooed on the back of my hand and ‘L’ and ‘R’ on my thumbs - no death threats though.

I have massive sympathy for those who suffer gender/sex dysphoria and who are being "represented" by such opinions.

I know a bloke who has a silly looking little black ghostie tattooed on his arm, does that count?

(It does not - it looks like Casper's goth cousin.)

Your posts are so disingenuous it's hard to keep up, YourFriendlyNeighbourhoodTrans. But I'll try to pin you down in your reply about your mate Char with the baseball bat and why TRAs attack women.

Usually? Its because men aren't organising against our rights and acceptance in society. A small group of women are, and acting like their idea of womanhood is the only justification they need for that.

And yet if a TW is murdered it'll be by a man. And men are often brutally frank about not seeing TW as women, let alone finding them sexually attractive. Far more blunt and offensive than lesbians seem to be. Some men will have sex with TW but not a relationship.

So men pose a physical danger and don't perceive TW as the gender they've chosen, but it's women who get the harassment.

We don't have an "idea of womanhood". It's not a club to which you're being denied entry, you know. Being a woman isn't an identity or a costume a man can adopt. It's a material reality.

Without female anatomy and socialization any claim a male makes to be a woman can be nothing more than projection and fantasy.

Your justification for attacking women looks like plain old ugly misogyny.

Takes a special kind of person to sympathize with someone who not only has a death threat tattooed on their person but calls themselves "The Butcher", or pretend to.

Almost like our new friend Neighborhood lives under a bridge and finds it funny to try to wind women up.

Its because men aren't organising against our rights and acceptance in society. A small group of women are, and acting like their idea of womanhood is the only justification they need for that.

If you think women are such a danger to you, why aren't you using the men's facilities? Because they're clearly so lovey-dovey towards you. I thought your argument was that men were violent towards you so you needed to come in with the women. Make your mind up.

Women are campaigning to keep women's rights, not against trans rights. Our campaigns are non-violent. We do not have an 'idea of womanhood'. We are campaigning to save sex-based protections, to keep us safe from people like your baseball bat wielding friend.

Your defence of using violence against non-violent women shows exactly who you are.

Coming in to women's spaces as one person and then revealed to be something quite different. Sounds familiar.

Though I disagree that Travis should be counted here, they asked for gender neutral spaces - not to "invade women's rooms".

Wrong. Travis demanded to use the female changing rooms in Topshop which was full of teenage girls.

MRA talking points, lordly pronouncements, the entitlement of continued guideline violation after having guidelines brought to attention, the list goes on and on and on...

So often these threads those arguing from the MRA side come out with MRA talking points and distorted stats and 'women do it too!!!!'' stuff. Almost as if TRAs and MRAs are one and the same, though, surely not

I think its grounds for better spaces - but the idea that spaces must be segregated along the lines of sex? That isn't really supported by the data. Instead I think the best way forwards is secure gender neutral facilities. Ones with floor to ceiling doors and walls, with a CCTV camera watching the door to see who enters and leaves and perhaps even a panic button (like a fire alarm) as is the case with some of these spaces already.

What about prisons? Domestic violence refuges? Hospital wards? Communal changing rooms in schools? Dormitories for children on school trips?

So often these threads those arguing from the TRA side come out with MRA talking points and distorted stats and 'women do it too!!!!'' stuff.

See, getting my TRA and MRA mixed up even in my own post, as its pretty much the same thing and anyone who cannot see this is either purposely missing it or has no experience with MRA fuckers.

What people are forgetting here is that it takes around two years to be seen by a GIC and then at least another year maybe two for refers for surgery and then again at least a year. So would love to know how fair play 4 women take that into account. Its just fearmonging

Not for my young adult child it didn't - 10 months between first seeing the GP and being diagnosed with gender dysphoria and being prescribed hormones.

My child had their first symptoms of dysphoria 4-5 months before going to see the GP.