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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I wholly reject the term cis woman

108 replies

UglyCathKidstonBag · 17/07/2018 13:41

I wholly reject the term cis woman (or anything approximating it, be that ciswoman, cis-woman, cisgender etc.).

I do not need a qualifier or prefix to my womanhood.

Using that prefix to describe me is an insulating act of misogyny.

I do not identify with gender. I believe gender exists as a hierarchical social construct to force us into not only stereotypes but submission.

Anyone who uses the term “cis” to describe me is discriminating against my biology.

I will push back against the use of it until the day I die. I will write to newspapers, TV channels and other outlets telling them exactly why it is offensive each and every time I see it used. I will report its use as hate speech and discrimination each time I see it used.

I wholly reject the term cis woman. I am a woman.

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WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 17/07/2018 15:27

cis my arse, woman will do thank you very much. A term a significant majority of the population understand quite well enough, needs no clarification.

NotTerfNorCis · 17/07/2018 15:28

There are women.

There are men.

Some women identify as men. They are a subtype of women.

Some men identify as women. They are a subtype of men.

There's no need for the word cis.

BadassUnicorn · 17/07/2018 15:30

I am not an isomer.
Love it! Will remember to use it when needed Wink

LangCleg · 17/07/2018 15:33

I also reject this term and refuse to be coercively assigned it by pomo-addled nitwits.

Oscarino · 17/07/2018 15:37

If we enter completely into the po-mo identity vortex a cis woman is a non-trans non-man.

And we are the ones accused of denying people’s existence.

Bowlofbabelfish · 17/07/2018 15:41

I reject it too.

It has a meaning in stereochemistry and in genetics in terms of how promoter elements work. Since I am neither an isomer nor a promoter then it can sod off.

I am not a lesser category of woman. I am simply a woman.

terryleather · 17/07/2018 15:44

It's a bs nonsense term imposed on women by they-who-must-be-obeyed and their woke minions.

Ultimately it's aim is to allow a subset of men to shoehorn themselves into the destinct biological category known as women, who are defined as adult human females.

Fuck.That.Shit

DonkeySkin · 17/07/2018 15:48

It's seriously offensive but I'm guessing that's the whole point to put woman 'back in their place as lesser beings'?

gamerchick, that's it exactly. 'Cis' is designed to displace women from the subject position within our own category of being. The women who do use it are signalling their subservience, their acceptance of their 'place' in the sex hierarchy. That's why it's so often preceded or followed by an apology or confession of ignorance/humility ('As a cis woman it's not my place to say...')

In refusing to apply it to herself, Alison Moyet was explicitly rejecting this subservient position; she was refusing to be reduced to a subcategory within her own sex. This is why, even though she apparently endorses every other aspect of trans ideology (including 'TWAW'), the TRAs came so hard for her. Can't suffer a woman who refuses to submit to her proper place in the Church of Genderism, where up is down, left is right and women oppress men simply by existing as independent beings.

Most women I've spoken to weren't aware of it and then rejected it.

Rowantrees, I'd wager that all women have a visceral response when they first hear that they are supposed to relabel themselves 'cis', because consciously or not, they divine the true meaning and purpose behind it.

However. Due to our socialisation, women are easily manipulated via social shaming and appeals to sympathy into adopting things that are harmful to us. Women are also more self-conscious than men about their public virtue (this is because women are used to being blamed for things that aren't their fault). TRAs ruthlessly play on this socialisation when 'educating' women about why they must relabel themselves cis. I'd bet that if you had a roomful of women who'd never heard of 'cis' and whose first instinct was to reject it, and put a group of trans activists in with them for an hour, by the end you'd have more than half who were willing to accept 'cis', and worse, shame and guilt trip the recalcitrant ones about what prideful, insensitive women they were.

I think we need to reject it en masse.

As others have said women are already rejecting it en masse, by ignoring it.

In the media, I usually see 'natal woman' or 'biological woman', which is irritating enough because they are tautologies, but I take your point, UglyCathKidstonBag, that 'cis' might be creeping into use in the media. And given the momentum of trans activism, especially the success they've had in imposing their Orwellian language norms, it could overwhelm us in a few years. But I worry that any kind of organised campaign to disavow 'cis' would only have the unintended effect of boosting its profile.

R0wantrees · 17/07/2018 15:51

On the Today program (March21st) with Lucy Masood, Emily Brothers described herself as 'a woman with a trans experience'

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3200310-Radio-4-now

Time40 · 17/07/2018 15:53

I will never allow anyone to 'cis' me.

hungryhippie · 17/07/2018 15:53

Being called cis REALLY gets my back up. I totally reject the term. I'm NOT cis, im a woman.

ErrolTheDragon · 17/07/2018 16:09

'Straight' is in no way comparable to 'cis'. Everyone has a sexuality (be it hetero, homo, bi, poly, pan, a-). An individuals sexuality impinges on no one except themselves and their partners. If someone calls me a 'straight woman' it does not in any way alter the category 'woman'.

DonkeySkin · 17/07/2018 16:15

It would be considered incredibly rude, and possibly racist, to refer to that black woman when there is no need to identify that person as being black, or homophobic when refer to that lesbian when there is no need for them to be identified as such

I see what you are saying here HotRocker, but even this is implicitly accepting the false argument that 'cis' and 'trans' function as adjectives in relation to the noun, 'woman'.

But this is a sleight of hand. 'Black' or 'lesbian' (or disabled, or rich, or poor, etc.) can be used as modifiers in relation to 'woman' because they do not change the definition of the head noun (adult human female).

I've said here before that 'cis' (along with 'trans') is not an adjective: it is a linguistic suicide bomber that explodes the definition of 'woman', completely destroying its meaning.

Consider:

A black woman is an adult human female who is also black.
A lesbian woman is an adult human female who is also homosexual.
A cis woman is an adult human female who is also... female?
A trans woman is an adult human... male.

We can see that in the first two examples, 'black' and 'lesbian' have not changed the meaning of 'woman' one iota. Whereas both 'cis' and 'trans' have rendered it nonsensical.

Ereshkigal · 17/07/2018 16:17

The media didn’t pick this up over night, they picked it up because they were harangued and lobbied.

YY. Organisations like Trans Media Watch are pushing to normalise it. Also see this response to a twitter push to normalise including your pronouns even if not trans no fucking way either

twitter.com/teresamaryclark/status/1018521326552829952?s=20

Typeractive · 17/07/2018 16:19

There's no such thing as cis women, only women.

I'll not allow anyone to 'cis' me without pushback.

Ereshkigal · 17/07/2018 16:20

I've said here before that 'cis' (along with 'trans') is not an adjective: it is a linguistic suicide bomber that explodes the definition of 'woman', completely destroying its meaning

Completely agree Donkey.

Ereshkigal · 17/07/2018 16:23

If we enter completely into the po-mo identity vortex a cis woman is a non-trans non-man.

Yes exactly! The term "cis" as can the beloved of the Greens term "non-man" can fuck right off.

KimCheesePickle · 17/07/2018 16:23

I reject cis - not just in political terms in that it shoehorns me into identifying with the subjugative feminine position in the gender hierarchy of pinkness, prettiness and meekness. But also because it makes no sense in terms of logic... the cis-trans model is used for describing physical, spatial arrangements - in stereochemistry, geography and genetics. You cannot have a spatial relationship between something physical/scientific like biological sex and something that is subjective and ineffable like gender identity.

Amalfimamma · 17/07/2018 16:27

Anyone who uses the term cis to describe me or any woman is not worthy of respect nor debate. I don't care if they identify as the queen of fucking sheeba.

KimCheesePickle · 17/07/2018 16:29

it is a linguistic suicide bomber that explodes the definition of 'woman'

Wow, mind blown... figuratively of course Grin. Such an incisive way of putting it.

Floorplan · 17/07/2018 16:30

Reflecting on cis and how different it is to "straight" which I am happy to use where appropriate in relation to gay/lesbian...

There is an important difference:

Women can be tall or short
Women can be fat or thin
Women can be old or young
Women can be lesbian or bisexual or straight
Women can be women or trans women

Floorplan · 17/07/2018 16:32

non-trans non-man Shock

ErrolTheDragon · 17/07/2018 16:32

I've just realised that 'effable' is a word.(means 'able to be described in words')

'Woman' is effable. 'Adult human female'. The insertion of renders of 'cis' renders it essentially ineffable. (We've had enough refusals and failed attempts from the genderists to come up with an alternative definition which makes any sense). A word which can't be described in words is bloody useless.

Iused2BanOptimist · 17/07/2018 16:33

I usually see it being applied by the very same people who have a hissy fit if their preferred pronouns are not used. But they also insist on the right to give us a label that most women reject.
Anyone who says it to my face will get put in their place sharpish. I am not cis.

Floorplan · 17/07/2018 16:33

We need to tell people not to misgender us we identify as woman
(I occasionally identify as biowoman or real woman)