I wholly reject the term cis woman

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I wholly reject the term cis woman (or anything approximating it, be that ciswoman, cis-woman, cisgender etc.).

I do not need a qualifier or prefix to my womanhood.

Using that prefix to describe me is an insulating act of misogyny.

I do not identify with gender. I believe gender exists as a hierarchical social construct to force us into not only stereotypes but submission.

Anyone who uses the term “cis” to describe me is discriminating against my biology.

I will push back against the use of it until the day I die. I will write to newspapers, TV channels and other outlets telling them exactly why it is offensive each and every time I see it used. I will report its use as hate speech and discrimination each time I see it used.

I wholly reject the term cis woman. I am a woman.

I am NOT 'cis'. I wholly reject that label.

DonkeySkin explained it well, worth repeating:
'Cis' is designed to displace women from the subject position within our own category of being. The women who do use it are signalling their subservience, their acceptance of their 'place' in the sex hierarchy. That's why it's so often preceded or followed by an apology or confession of ignorance/humility ('As a cis woman it's not my place to say...')

In refusing to apply it to herself, Alison Moyet was explicitly rejecting this subservient position; she was refusing to be reduced to a subcategory within her own sex. This is why, even though she apparently endorses every other aspect of trans ideology (including 'TWAW'), the TRAs came so hard for her. Can't suffer a woman who refuses to submit to her proper place in the Church of Genderism, where up is down, left is right and women oppress men simply by existing as independent beings.

Yes, Donkey has described it perfectly. I've really appreciated her posts on this thread.

Mogleflop

What do you all say to someone who uses it? I don't know how I'd coherently explain my dislike of it in just a few seconds.

In real life, any objection is going to need a confident air/girding of the loins.

You could just say please don't refer to me as something I'm not.

Can you imagine the reaction of men in this situation? Consistently being referred to as 'not a woman who... (identifies as a man)'

Oh yes, you are defined as a person who is not a woman who ...

They wouldn't entertain it for a second.

And then if the person goes for the second option: but it's just a description of someone whose gender matches their sex. Say well mine doesn't. Just that. Don't bother explaining further.

Make them work for it.

Because then they would have to ask you if you're trans.

And if you say no they would have to keep asking questions.

It means they are on the back foot, not you.

Because ultimately it comes down to a different definition of gender. One is an innate essence, the other is a set of stereotypes.

And that's where the disagreement will hit.

But by that time, they have demonstrated a willingness to badger you, which should be counted with stop misgendering me.

It's all rather tedious. But, fortunately, the objection to cis is entirely rational, logical and evidence based. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever for an 'innate essence'.

Cisgender is not some term invented by trans activists to insult women. It is an academic term en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender used to avoid othering trans people. So you have cisgender/transgender, heterosexual/homosexual, neurotypical/neurodivergent etc.

You may not identify as straight, but if you don't identify as gay, then you will be labelled heterosexual.

It is that simple.

Thanks Datun, I like "please don't refer to me as something I'm not."

As for a term meant "not to other trans people" - they are "other" from women if they're born as men. That doesn't imply inferiority of course.

Unfortunately I can only see the abstracts of the papers cited in the wiki piece, which aren't enough to work out why the terms were invented .... the definition in the wiki "individuals who have a match between the gender they were assigned at birth, their bodies, and their personal identity" is in terms gc people reject.

If it was intended to avoid 'othering' trans people, it fails, as it does exactly that. The only purpose it serves is to render 'man' and 'woman' ineffable.

It is an academic term en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender used to avoid othering trans people. So you have cisgender/transgender, heterosexual/homosexual, neurotypical/neurodivergent etc.

Which field of academia? It’s certainly not a term used in biology. No serious scientist uses such terms or has any doubt about how human sex works. If you’d have espoused this view when I was an academic people would have thought you were very odd.

It also others women but I suppose no one gives a toss about that do they?

@SarahAr When "cis" was confined to academia, there wasn't a problem. We now have Alison Moyet being monstered on Twitter for refusing "cis" and TRAs sporting "die cis scum" tattoos and calling lesbians who refuse them sexually "cisbians", so it's very definitely now a pejorative exonym.

I reject it too, but why even talk about it? It's not worth wasting words on.

@SarahAr

As Errol has quoted, wiki says cisgender applies to
individuals who have a match between the gender they were assigned at birth, their bodies, and their personal identity

1. I was not assigned a gender at birth. My sex was recognised. When I have assisted at births, no one assigns a gender or sex do the infant.

1. I am an adult human female, a woman. Society most commonly imposes the gender stereotypes upon me that include being dainty, linking pink and stroking kittens. I not only reject those stereotypes but I reject the notion of gender at all. How and why am I the “cisgender”?

It’s a nonsense. I have been told I must accept it “because it is academic and Latin”. Well “pseudo” is, I believe of Greek origin.

@SarahAr

You may not identify as straight, but if you don't identify as gay, then you will be labelled heterosexual.

Bisexuals don't exist then?

So many typos whilst on the most bumpy bus ride ever, apologies!

You may not identify as straight, but if you don't identify as gay, then you will be labelled heterosexual.

You might like to reconsider this.
I don’t identify as my sexuality btw, if isn’t a choice I make.

You may not identify as straight, but if you don't identify as gay, then you will be labelled heterosexual.

I don't identify as gay. I'm not gay. I'm also not heterosexual.

I'm asexual. The absence of a sexual orientation. Similarly, I do not have a gender identity. You can say that I am 'not trans' but I'm also not 'cis'

It's as accurate as calling me straight because I don't 'identify' as gay, i.e. not at all.

you will be labelled

I thought it was a mortal sin to label other people? Make your mind up.

*I wholly reject the term cis woman (or anything approximating it, be that ciswoman, cis-woman, cisgender etc.).

I do not need a qualifier or prefix to my womanhood.

Using that prefix to describe me is an insulating act of misogyny.

I do not identify with gender. I believe gender exists as a hierarchical social construct to force us into not only stereotypes but submission.

Anyone who uses the term “cis” to describe me is discriminating against my biology.

I will push back against the use of it until the day I die. I will write to newspapers, TV channels and other outlets telling them exactly why it is offensive each and every time I see it used. I will report its use as hate speech and discrimination each time I see it used.

I wholly reject the term cis woman. I am a woman.*

Exactly this. I am a woman.

I am woman. Not 'cis' anything. I have ovaries.
If it has or has ever had a penis it's a man.

Me too. I reject it because its complete and utter nonsense.

I reject it too. I don't identify as a woman, I am one.

I will not tick a 'cis' column on a form. Ever.

Been talking back and forth on email about this with a colleague and now know she is firmly on the GC side!
“If someone can identify within the narrow parameters of gender, then I can identify outside and as such cast aside the homophobic and religious rhetoric of identity politics.”

WE WHOLLY REJECT THE TERM CISWOMAN.

It is an academic term en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender used to avoid othering trans people

So, let me get this right: trans activists determine their own labels, but the rest of us have to have the ones they decide to give us? I have to be 'othered' with this cis label, despite declaring I don't accept it?

I find the term derogatory and offensive and would say so to someone that used it. Now I have the words to explain why if pushed to do so. I am not cis because I don't accept the gender stereotype attributed to my sex as real or applicable to me... so fuck right off marra. K?

I don't have anything to add but there are lots of really interesting posts on this thread. Thanks

Cisgender is not some term invented by trans activists to insult women.

Don't be silly! Most Feminists know they lifted it from chemistry to other women. Followers of Genderism admitted it when they first set about popularizing the term and spent thousands of words mansplaining how women have no right to object to the labels they are assigned because science.

The only person so far to try to call me cis was a transwoman who I politely told to fuck off with the cis. Nobody else there that evening had ever heard the term.