I wholly reject the term cis woman

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I wholly reject the term cis woman (or anything approximating it, be that ciswoman, cis-woman, cisgender etc.).

I do not need a qualifier or prefix to my womanhood.

Using that prefix to describe me is an insulating act of misogyny.

I do not identify with gender. I believe gender exists as a hierarchical social construct to force us into not only stereotypes but submission.

Anyone who uses the term “cis” to describe me is discriminating against my biology.

I will push back against the use of it until the day I die. I will write to newspapers, TV channels and other outlets telling them exactly why it is offensive each and every time I see it used. I will report its use as hate speech and discrimination each time I see it used.

I wholly reject the term cis woman. I am a woman.

I've just realised that 'effable' is a word.(means 'able to be described in words')

Them: are you cis
Me: stop using ineffable language and eff off

It's so incidious. The aim is not only to establish that males are women but that they are the most oppressed of women. Cis is necessary so that trans/cis can be posited as an axis of oppression - in the fucked up "intersectional feminism" demanded by trans and their handmaidens women now have "cis privilege"which means they need to sit down and shut up - unless they are needed as human shields or to use their privilege to amplify trans voices

I wonder how many of the young women who declare themselves non binary or transmen are seeking to escape not only the weight of their oppression as women but the guilt of their cis privilege.

Woman' is effable. 'Adult human female'. The insertion of renders of 'cis' renders it essentially ineffable.

Exactly. Ineffable describes religious beliefs and it describes trans ideology.

"Cis-privilege"?

How can one be privileged by the very thing that is the apparatus of our oppression?

You're not alone! Using the made-up term 'Cis' is definitely a 'us and them' mentality. As a natural woman with a vagina call me a woman, you don't need to qualify it with a ridiculous term.

There is quite a bit of literate/speakers on why this is a derogatory term. Imagine if you constantly used the terms 'tranny' or 'trans' woman. You'd quickly be shouted down as creating division.

I just am so sick of men (dress or not) telling women what we can be called and how we need to refer to them.

Why are so many men obsessed with their gender and being a woman?!!!!

Examples of cis-privilege (from one of many lists available to make beating yourself up easier)

1. You don't have to worry about passing. (It is a lot easier to be seen as a woman when you are a woman)

1. You can buy feminine clothes that are made to fit your body (where?)

1. You don't have to hide your childhood photos

1. People usually use the correct pronouns when talking about you

With all this privilege it's amazing that cis women insist on complaining about little inconveniences that nobody cares about.

Some men really have too much time on their hands

I was going to make new thread titled "Xenonyms and Autonyms", but I'll post my draft OP here:

"Cis" is a xenonym used by the trans community to describe us as an outgroup, with themselves as the ingroup. This kind of outgroup-ingroup labelling is used routinely throughout the world to describe "our people" versus "those other people who are not ours" and isn't inherently a problem: we call French people "French" but they call themselves "français" and this isn't a problem but calling them "frogs" would be rude. The problem comes when trans people tell me and the world at large to use their xenonym "cis" to describe myself, because this is coercive and an attempt at gaining dominance over me and the world at large. Matisoff observes rightly that "Human nature being what it is, exonyms are liable to be pejorative rather than complimentary, especially where there is a real or fancied difference in cultural level between the ingroup and the outgroup." The "die cis scum" and "cisbian" rhetoric demonstrates that "cis" is a pejorative xenonym and not a neutral descriptor as often claimed. Forcing a group to accept a perjorative xenonym degrades and dehumanises the members of that group, in addition to being a shoe of dominance as outlined above.

The above reasoning can also be applied to "terf". Additionally, "terf" is an untruthful propaganda term: we are male exclusionary and when we fight for females, we fight for transmen despite them rejecting us. (Would a bevulvaed transman really want to serve a prison sentence in the male estate? When we fight for transpeople to be in the jail of their birth sex, we are fighting to protect transmen from rape. When we defend abortion access, we defend it for transmen too.)

Lastly, by appropriating, without prefix nor modifier, our autonym of "woman" that we have had in a recognisable form ("wifmann") for at least 1500 years, transwomen steal our ability to name ourselves. Transwomen prevent us from naming ourselves as a sex class who suffer sex-based oppression and they colonise our language, just as they plan to colonise our spaces, beds, and sexualities.

Very good - just slightly confusing mix of exonym and xenonym. According to this wikidiff.com/exonym/xenonym , exonym might be slightly more accurate in this context?

in addition to being a shoe of dominance as outlined above.

Show. I said it was a draft.

@ErrolTheDragon Yup, it looks like exonym is the better word.

Good post bd! I didn't know that either of those words existed but they are useful ones.

Now that members of the male half of the population have taken all the words formerly used to refer to the female half of the population all that's left are the slurs they scream at us when we tell them no.
Many years ago women tried to reclaim the word Bitch to empower themselves, just as Black people tried to reclaim the N word. We cannot reclaim what was never ours. These slurs have always belonged to the white male ruling class, and they still scream them at us when we tell them no.
8th rule of misogyny: Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are

Agree bewilderness. It's not possible to reclaim misogynistic slurs.

I've never heard anyone use CIS in real life and if someone uses it to me I shall act dumb and ask them to explain it....

I reject cis because to embrace cis implies I’m down with all the ridiculous gender stereotypes that have been used to hobble me since the day I was born. If I’m cis I’m alright with pinkification, compulsory high heels in the workplace, the gender pay gap, housewifery, sexual submission etc etc as I’m identifying with it. I don’t identify with my oppression. It’s absolutely nothing to do with trans people.

My analogy is like it’s insisting everyone is gay or straight and if you say you’re bisexual you’re a liar and you’re either gay or straight so pick one and that’s who you are even though it does not fit you. It’s a straight jacket, not a tool of liberation.

I also wholly reject cis. I am a woman. It does not need to be explained any further.

Absolutely. I'm not part of a sub-set. I'm a woman. Nuff said.

What do you all say to someone who uses it? I don't know how I'd coherently explain my dislike of it in just a few seconds.

I’d say I preferred not to be addressed that way.

If they made a fuss and demanded why I’d tell them. They can listen or not and I’ll take as long as I like

The few times the issue came up I asked them please not to use slurs or pejoratives like cis, terf, bitch, whore, or slut, when speaking to or about women.
They were kind enough to refrain.

Every time someone calls me cis I just tell them I am not a subcontractor in the construction industry or related trade.

"I think it's pretty obvious that I'm a woman. So please refrain from using any silly prefixes to emphasise the bleeding obvious".

Where do you work cath that this is dangerous? Just so you know I completely reject cis it is just getting more unusual to hear of workplaces standing against it. Sadly.

I shall always say that they should not dare misgender me and I have an inner sense that my true identity is that of woman or real-woman if I'm feeling confident