FWR more unpleasant than ever

[Snappity]

The Talk Guidelines have done little to improve things. The majority of threads are about trans matters and very few, if any, positive. Misgendering is increasingly rife. "They" for a trans woman is as bad as "he".

Even the sex of trans women with female birth certificates is not respected.

There is post after post that trans women are not women and that sex is biological and cannot be changed (totally ignoring that many aspects of sex can be changed).

Then increasingly material from elsewhere which is anti-trans is being linked.

While individual comments are fair enough, the sheer volume means that FWR is a thoroughly unpleasant place for the majority of trans people and those of us who have trans family members.

Intersex women are also repeatedly disrespected with frequent posts that women are XX or are those with female reproductive capacity. It is hugely offensive.

I am going to be here less. The harassment - and I think that is what it is - has driven me away. It is a shame because trans and intersex feminists - indeed trans inclusive feminists - should be as welcome here as any other feminists. If MumsNet believes in debate that means ensuring that one side isn't shouted down - and the sheer volume of people saying that trans women are not women and belong in male spaces (because anyone "male" is a risk to women) is shouting down the other side of the debate.

FWR needs to regain a balance.

To protect male egos since the trans woman will definitely be infertile and a man might feel inadequate if he didn't realise why he could not get her pregnant?

Wait, what?

You're saying that the only way a man could realise that the transwoman he is having sex with is not a woman is because pregnancy does not ensue???

Snappity, I am trying to say this with kindness, but please - get help. You are not living in reality.

Garam- please provide evidence for your accusation of incitement to violence.

Kidneys change sex.

WAT

Snappity. Legally their sex changes for all purposes. But the act itself allows certain exceptions where their actual biological sex is important.

The act is based on a legal fiction and as per s1 only applies to those with a GRC who have undertaken all the steps under the GRA to get one, including but not limited to, living as the acquired gender until death.

I wonder how MNHQ feel about having their attempts to foster civilised debate with the new guidelines chucked back in their faces with some pretty fruity accusations that they are fostering incitement to violence?

There has been thread after thread about how the Talk Guidelines are unfair / biased etc to the gender critical view and should be changed. And I am not even suggesting Talk Guidelines should be changed, just expressing a view that the long-standing prohibition against transphobic posts should be implemented in practice.

Thanks snappity, I didn't actually know that!

If TWAW, and according to some of the ideology they always have been, why do they have to declare it?

"The more this goes on, the level of delusion involved, the more I think you probably need to be reading ‘why does he do that?’ and posting on relationships TBH..."

Yy offred (here is the link again for the free pdf). It's making me view snappity's posts in a whole different light, and is actually more disturbing than the idea that they actually believe all this crap about kidneys being able to change sex etc :(

As someone who works in women's health, I have never had a transwomen as a patient. Do you know why? Because they aren't women

No harm Snappity, but I’ve seen a medically created vagina. It’s not the same as mine. I know that just by looking, not from the fact that pregnancy will not ensue from piv.

In point of fact, I’m not unable to have more children so the pregnancy will not ensue applies to my vagina too. It still looks completely different to the medically created vagina I have seen.

*Evidence for forming groups to physically attack people please.

Nobody said "physically attack" did they?

Sorry but surely men can tell a biological vagina from a neo-vagina and they might realise that the presence of a neo vagina, however well constructed precludes pregnancy, and therefore will realise the absence of pregnancy is not down to their sperm?

To suggest otherwise is really to have gone into the realms of fantasy.

Note: none of which means trans people should face discrimination or erodes their rights in any way.

just expressing a view that the long-standing prohibition against transphobic posts should be implemented in practice

Seeing as your gauge of transphobia is using the grammatically correct pronoun they and not she I take it you mean "shut the women up and let tras take over fwr"
Give. Yourself. A. Big. Fucking. Wobble

where it is widely acknowledged some of the worst anti-trans groups mobilise and arrange attacks on trans women.

To mobilise and arrange an attack implies physicality.
So not physical attacks then? That’s good, because I’d take very seriously any insinuation I was part of a group or website that mobilised to attack anyone.

What did you mean then? Because to mobilise to arrange an attack Implies a specific target and a directed attack against an individual

"To protect male egos since the trans woman will definitely be infertile and a man might feel inadequate if he didn't realise why he could not get her pregnant?"

I wonder if that includes the ego of the transwoman? Must be a blow if a straight man expresses their shock at being misled.

I predict Snappity will not change their stance and Snappity will not change the position of many others posting on here.

Trans women have been peacefully and happily (and legally) living as women for the last 13 and haven't caused anyone any problems but all of a sudden it's a massive issue.

Women have never lived peacefully and happily as women throughout the course of history and haven’t caused anyone any issues but all of a sudden there is a massive issue.

If you want to see some of the “worst transphobia on the Internet” I suggest you have a look at Datalounge, a forum where gay men have many discussions about the trans agenda that are far more vitriolic amd offensive than anything here. Funnily enough, when reading through the threads I didn’t see a single trans activist voicing their offence.

Or the Twitter thread where straight men were asked if they’d ever have sex with a trans woman.

But the movement definitely isn’t about silencing and attacking women... right?

Do you have screenshots you can share on here, of the cruel comments from Datalounge?

Ok. If Snappity is telling the truth about their partner and the reasons for avoiding Mumsnet (and I have no reason to doubt her) then, to me, that casts their other posts in a very different and somewhat sinister light.

Snappity is now coming across as not only coerced but also gaslit and even brainwashed.

The remarks about male egos being hurt by not being able to impregnate a TW, for example, read like a prescribed response that she has been TOLD to say.

Snappity's posts look like circumstantial evidence at least that Transactivism is a cult after all.

To those who believe there is really no exemptions to the sex status of someone with a GRC, why can't trans men inherit male titles in the nobility?

I hope that if snappity does leave, she doesn't feel she can't come back for support when it is needed.
If you need help in your relationship snappity, mn doesn't hold grudges.

I don’t say ‘roflcopter’ I’m extremely angry and sad that that ridiculous view caused the death of a person and it is still being stated as fact by people purporting to care about transpeople as a way of smearing other people for apparently not caring about transpeople.

Yep it is disgusting.
Making up or deliberately misinterpreting scientific evidence to support an ideology should be a crime.

Garam -evidence for your potentially libellous statement?

Talking of attacking people. It seems to me that the doxxing goes pretty much one way. Inflitrating a FB group of mothers and plastering photo's of their children all over twitter isn't a good look for anyone.

www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/8yool1/a_tim_just_doxxed_dozens_of_radical_feminists_on/

Oh Snap, with your constant appropriation of intersex and your view that butch lesbians and masculine women should be separated from feminine presenting women for their own safety, you’re almost but not quite, the most offensive person on these boards. You really need to work on that.
If GC women were as free and easy with the report button as the TRA you’d have been banned a long time ago, or at least I assume you would have. The machinations of MNHQ are a mystery to me though, so who really knows.
As for your assertion that certain neutral pronouns are offensive: when you keep trying to move the goalposts for the language that people can use you show yourself.
I’m reading this thread as a hissy fit because certain posters have refused to engage with you any longer. Seriously you are that transparent. Grow up!