Transwomen have periods too you know! Just no bleeding

[OrchidInTheSun]

I give you the latest in batshittery:

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FFS

That is a despicable thing you just did Bespin.

These children are being groomed online by unscrupulous liars and you effing dare to claim it is the fault of NHS people not handing our dangerous drugs to all comers on demand that is the problem. How dare you!

All areas of the NHS are under similar stress. My autistic son waited 3 years to see an occupational therapist. Adult mental health has a 7 year wait list in central Manchester.

I have great sympathy for people suffering from gender dysphoria, but I don’t agree that this particular problem is more (nor less) deserving than any of the other things that might make a 17/18 year old feel suicidal.

thebewilderness what I find dispicable is people that paint the work of people who are working tirelessly with these varied and complex issues as abuses with the language that you use. that you would rather discuss conspiracy theories than the reality of this situation speaks volumes. the NHS does far more then just give out hormones and when it does that it does not just simply give them out.

there is a. crisis in both cmhs and adult. services and I fear that it is going to take something tragic to. highlight this problem to the wider public, though tragedys happen every week and no one seems to bother. this country is still very much about out of sight out of mind. with these issues.

BettyDuMonde I very much agree that ASD services and woefully under funded and only. appear to provide assessment and little. follow up. care to help families support there young people.

What other bits cramp during periods? (The person writing the article actually sounds like they have ibs)

I can't help wondering where the under 18s get the money from to buy medication. Saturday jobs must pay better than they did back in my day.

Laid up crapping....how?

Obviously the person who wrote this is foolish and deluded, but what is most striking is the aggression. They are really really angry with women, aren’t they? What a way to live your life.

be better resourced to allow young people to get appropriate assessment and treatment without having to resort to the Internet for help

Appropriate treatment is watch and wait - that’s available.

What further treatment do you want?

Bowlofbabelfish non I am happy with the current treatment pathway in the nhs it is just being overwelmed and this will cause people to look for quicker solutions. therefore like all and I stress ALL cmhs services in this country they need the resources to do there jobs the money that is being promised in young peoples mental health services is not meterialisising in reality and dedicated staff are starting to leave or go on longer term sick. due to the pressures they are under to maintain these services. this is the reality of cmhs services in this country they will hit the same breaking point that social services hit a number of years ago. the young people that we are dealing with are becoming more complex in there presentation and the levels of interventions that are required and the time that this takes is increasing with no new resources to support it.

This is why I get annoyed when people wish to focus of conspiracy crap. when the crisis is already there and more people need to highlight it. but I'm sure you will tell me you are. doing that

this will cause people to look for quicker solutions.

Like what?

Bowlofbabelfish well as discussed private providers who. might not have the same pathway or self or community care that can be ill informed around things like medication. this is an issue in all aspects of mental health issues

Let's just privatise the NHS eh.

Mogleflop well if we want people who don't have profitable issues not to be seen at all then would be a great idea lol

Great isn't it? If your current movement doesn't get there soon, the crippling lawsuits a few years and decades from now over all this stuff will by bankrupting them. Either way it's a win against the NHS.

Good stuff for the rich white male funders of the movement

But the fact that people are obtaining drugs via the Internet is not an argument for giving anyone who asks drugs with no gatekeeping. It’s an argument for closing loopholes that allow people to target vulnerable patients.

The gatekeeping is important. The ‘they will just buy them anyway’ argument is designed to pressurefor early drug treatment as wanted by some lobby groups.

The answer is no.

But the fact that people are obtaining drugs via the Internet is not an argument for giving anyone who asks drugs with no gatekeeping. It’s an argument for closing loopholes that allow people to target vulnerable patients.

This.

Bowlofbabelfish that is often the misunderstood view in relation to people seeking there own treatment. it is not due to gatekeepers but due to services that are unable to or choose not to address there needs in a meaningful. way this is not always through medication. the they will do it anyway argument is a simplification of that. the same argument as been used in drug and substance misuse for years. making a service meaningful to its service users is always the solution. to this it is not simply giving out medication because people want it.

by all means tell me that I'm wrong on that point because at this point I do feel that you don't even bother to read my points but just make the point you wish to make anyway.

Drugs should only be available by prescription, to patients old enough to understand the consequences of taking them or by a parent /guardian on their behalf.
This has always been the case, and I don't see any reason for it to change.

that is often the misunderstood view in relation to people seeking there own treatment. it is not due to gatekeepers but due to services that are unable to or choose not to address there needs in a meaningful. way

But that IS gatekeeping. That’s what gatekeeping is. It’s evidence based medicine practiced by medics working to medically ethical guidelines. So that any drug prescribed is needed and monitored. That IS gatekeeping

If someone finds the treatment is not what they want, and goes off piste, so to speak, then they’re outside of that ethical and evidence based framework.

And many people do this - there are people who seek alternative practitioners for things like acupuncture or reiki for example. That’s a couple of benign examples - neither of those things can harm you. But you’d be unwise to start taking any prescribed drug outside medical supervision

When a medic prescribes on the nhs they will take a full history. They will have access to full medical notes. They retain responsibility for what they’ve prescribed - that means they must be able to justify it in terms of clinical risk vs benefit. They will monitor the patient closely. They will act if they feel up/down titration of dose or cessation/change of medication is needed. They must adhere to nhs prescribing guidelines.

With internet obtained drugs people don’t know for sure what they’re getting. They need to administer the drug correctly (blockers are depot drugs). They have no checks of medical history, no counselling beforehand, no monitoring. No one is taking responsibility for the usage.

If people don’t like the nhs watch and wait, then that’s not the failing of the approach. I’m still not really sure what you’re pressing for as an outcome? Open access to drugs/affirmative treatment? Earlier access to drugs/treatment?

The nhs treatment is watch and wait. And that’s ethical. What more do you want?

A period without blood
That said I'm experiencing less and less periods but I get days when I feel exactly like my period is going to start - cramps, more emotional etc etc but the period never actually starts. I get the back and headache that I get before a period.

That'll be because I actually am a woman, with a uterus and have the relevant hormones causing mayhem then.

Bowlofbabelfish thanks for explaining this to me yet again I really. don't know what I've been doing all these years. the nhs approach is watch and wait with treatment if assessed to be needed. you always seem to miss the last part of that. have a lovely day you all.

But then what are you actually asking for?

You say that people are acccessing treatment on the web because the NHS treatment isn’t what they want. So you think that treatment is not what? Appropriate? Clinically correct? Early enough? Fast enough? What?

So I have to ask - ‘so what is your point? What are you arguing for?’ Are you saying the fact that people are doing this justifies it? That NHS treatment should change to be affirmative? What would make the service, as you say ‘meaningful to its users’?

The article's author is welcome to live in my body for one day out of the 12 agonizing ones my period usually lasts. Betcha this person wouldn't last 5 minutes before begging for mercy. He/she would soon know what having periods is all about, not the description of trapped wind and feeling a tad sorry for themselves they give in the article

Just wind I expect.

This stupid man/woman/whatever is only proving these people have a mental illness.

Someone needs to tell him that when you have your period and the cramps make you see stars, you feel like you're walking with your bowels dragging behind you and your boobs are so sore you could cry when taking off your bra that tweeting a long post just isn't possible.

Oh and do you reckon he's ever had an ovarian cyst burst? Jesus Christ he hasn't got a clue!

It's like me saying i know the pain of being kicked in the balls ....anatomically it's impossible unless I have a mental illness.