Is it possible not to agree thatTWAW

[BertrandRussell]

ans not be transphobic? Because I think transwomen are transwomen and deserve all the rights and protections of the law, and should to live their lives peacefully, unharnessed and using any names or pronouns they wish. But I don't think they are actually, literally women. Incidentally, neither does the only transperaon I know well enough who is old enough to ask. If thinking that makes me transphobic is she transphobic too?

Is biology transphobic?
For me verifiable reality trumps belief.

Here's why I just don't believe that trans women are women trapped in male bodies. We are often told to imagine how we would feel if we woke up one day in a male body as an exercise to get us to understand what it's like to be a trans woman. Wouldn't it be terrible, thinking that you're a woman but being in the 'wrong' body?

It is a ridiculous thought experiment because it is utter fantasy, but that would be an utter nightmare for me. I would want all surgery and medication possible. I would be deeply miserable looking at my male body.

Of course it would be a nightmare, but it hasnt happened and will not happen until they start doing brain transplants...and even then they would have to match sex type...As the brain and body are completely inseparable.

Bet FemWomb doesn't tell me off.

I have enough to cope with trying to keep myself on the right path.

You can often bring a horse to water, you can't always make it drink.

You can talk about a flat earth, transgenderism and so forth as much as you like, if someone doesn't want to believe you can't make them.

"An absence of ethics is exhibited by calling the absence of ethics "controversies" instead of an absence of ethics."

Sunday Trading law - inconvenient as it is for many of us - almost certainly wouldn't exist if it hadn't been for USDAW. Protection of low paid workers (mostly women?) rights, not just because of some people's beliefs.

Bewilderness.

Is that comment aimed at me?

If not, I apologise. However, if it is then I'd say that if I'm unethical (racist?) for mentioning these facts then gender critical people must also be unethical (transphobic?) for invoking trans/male violence statistics surely? (and I'm only using them to prove a point, not to wage a war like many GC posters seem to be).

"In June 2007 the Home Affairs Select
Committee published a report on young
black people and the criminal justice
system of England and Wales. It said that young black people were over-represented at all stages of the criminal justice system."

"The Metropolitan Police Service is one of the few police forces which has collected statistics on gang rape. Filmmaker Sorious Samura compiled 29 such incidents involving young people from January 2006 to March 2009, and found that, of 92 people convicted, 66 were black or mixed race."

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom#England_and_Wales_crime_statistics

So why is it taboo to state the above but not to post figures about trans or male crime?

Unless I've missed something, you've mixed up which thread you're on flutterby.

I'm confused by the claims I've seen here and elsewhere that the law recognises that TWAW. I thought that was what the whole self ID debate was about. Currently the law recognises certain diagnosed gender dysphorics who've gone through a lengthy formal process as being legally women. A very small subset of those who refer to themselves as transwomen. If you go with the law do you then recognise TW who are not suffering from body dysphoria as being men as legally they are?

We have the same problem in the US. White males commit the majority of crimes but the majority of charges are filed against black males.
The racism, classism, and misogyny, is built into the society and the system, just as it is in the UK.

Unless I've missed something, you've mixed up which thread you're on flutterby.

Or just the latest in derailing techniques Errol ?

Anything that appropriates the word woman is not on

Flutter: I hope you aren't trying to suggest that black people are the same danger to white people that men are to women. That would be disgustingly racist.

I think they are women born with male anatomy.

And I think cats are dogs with feline anatomy.

I think they are women born with male anatomy.

And I think cats are dogs with feline anatomy.

What are words and how do they work?

Wrt the op

You can only know that they are not women and refuse to accept that they are if you are willing to accept punishment for it.

It is officially wrongthink.

What are words and how do they work?

Words are shifting constellations aren't they?

Not sure how shifting constellations work though.

Isn't it more usual to find a new word for a new thing, rather than to change the meaning of an established word to encompass a new thing?

Isn't it more usual to find a new word for a new thing, rather than to change the meaning of an established word to encompass a new thing?

No. Look how the word phone has changed

What-phone as in a device for communicating with someone out of shouting range?

@pratchet at which of the ponds was that photo taken? I'm asking as a user of Kenwood pond.

@bertrandrussell made me laugh. Thanks.

How has the word phone changed?