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Look what happened when Alison Moyet refused to be called a cis woman **title amended at request of OP**

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LaSqrrl · 11/07/2018 09:48

"You can identify as anything you want these days, except as a woman. Consider what happened to British singer Alison Moyet. Last week, on Twitter, she said she didn’t want to be known as a cs-woman, just as a woman. ‘I defend everyone’s right to have the pronoun that they choose and will honour it’, she diplomatically said. And ‘I do not choose Cs for mine’, she continued. ‘It took women like me long enough to own the title “woman” in the first place. It’s a long enough word for me.’ The response to this calm, clear, polite act of self-definition? Fury. And insult. And abuse. On such a voluble level that Moyet eventually recanted her linguistic heresy, deleted her tweet, and left Twitter."
Read rest of the article here.

Moyet's response to being 'forcibly assigned' the c*s label was quite polite and restrained (far more so than I can ever muster). Yet she was relentlessly told by the twitterverse to 'stfu woman' with a pile of 'hate tweets' - that she should accept it, like it or not.

Moyet has several follow up tweets, including this one where she says:
"I will name you as you identify. Must you afford me less?"

Apparently the answer is "no". And more reasons to stfu and accept it. Hmm

'Woman' is not terra nullius, we are 52%. We will not be hoodwinked into giving up our names, only for males to claim them (that is what the c-prefix is all about). Our answer is "no" and is not the start of a 'negotiation'.

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LaSqrrl · 11/07/2018 09:51

This political tactic is an important one to discuss. However, it is on the list of 'banned words/terms' on MN.

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LangCleg · 11/07/2018 09:51

We should get a new acronym...


Coercively Assigned Cis by Genderists?

TrollTheRespawnJeremy · 11/07/2018 09:51

This is pretty appalling. I am a woman and won’t let anyone tell me otherwise.

How can you ask for acceptance if you can’t accept 52% of the population?

LangCleg · 11/07/2018 09:53

I think we're allowed to discuss usage and validity of the term. What we're not allowed to do is call other people it, especially if they reject it as a term.

That's how I understand the roolz, anyway.

Bowlofbabelfish · 11/07/2018 09:54

Pretty much sums up the attitude to women doesn’t it?

We cannot say no, ever, to anything, because it is an act of literal violence towards men.

Why should she be deluged with hatred, threats and abuse for a measured tweet? So she’s closed her account? Another voice silenced. Makes me very angry.

Come on over to FWR, Alison, should you be reading - pull up a pew and have a Brew there’s none of that rubbish here.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 11/07/2018 10:01

That was an excellent article.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 11/07/2018 10:04

Yeah well that's a pretty good summary
You can identify as anything you want these days, except as a woman

The gender believers are intolerant of those who not follow their faith...

Deathgrip · 11/07/2018 10:16

Does anyone else ever have a moment of confusion when they agree with an article posted by a site like this?

I mean, really...

Typeractive · 11/07/2018 10:18

Great article. Thanks for sharing.

I really like Brendan O'Neill's journalism.

arranfan · 11/07/2018 10:32

It's not unusual for me to like particular articles by someone even if I disagree with their overall approach or outlook. I'm OK with that as long it's acceptable that I'm not signalling similarity of thought or perspective over everything that they write/say.

Moyet's experience dovetails into the Ronson piece that someone posted yesterday on how a perceived mis-step on social media can rapidly descend into a baying mob.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 11/07/2018 10:34

Moyet's experience dovetails into the Ronson piece that someone posted yesterday on how a perceived mis-step on social media can rapidly descend into a baying mob

Yes, time to reconsider 'moral panic' theory in light of teh interwebs maybe?

LangCleg · 11/07/2018 10:36

Does anyone else ever have a moment of confusion when they agree with an article posted by a site like this?

Does anyone have a moment of confusion after they watch a Riley Dennis video or read thirty thousand tweets threatening VAWG?

LaSqrrl · 11/07/2018 10:37

Bowl, thankfully it does look like she is back on Twitter.
Still, the Genderist Faithful outnumber sane women by about 3:1 or 4:1. But at least AM is seeing some support seep through the madness of this Brave New Gender World.

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Bumbungo · 11/07/2018 10:39

"Indeed, trans activism looks increasingly like misogyny in drag"


Bowlofbabelfish · 11/07/2018 10:54

Ah good on her!

Flameproof cardie on Alison! Fight the good fight!

Graham Linehan had a wonderful response to the abuse which was something like ‘the answer is no, you fucking useless woke versions of the religious police.’ Grin don’t apologise for sincerely held, politely expressed beliefs.

TheBiologicalWoman · 11/07/2018 10:57

Alison's spelling is being attacked on Twitter today. Is that all they've got?

IrianOfW · 11/07/2018 11:02

'trans activism looks increasingly like misogyny in drag'


arranfan · 11/07/2018 11:11

Linehan: useless woke versions of the religious police

I was thinking about this (albeit slightly different terms) this morning. How the extremists on a continuum (or in hierarchy) will attract all of the publicity as representative of their faith/ideology while others in that space are left thinking, "Not in my name. But, I shouldn't have to state that".

As ever, it's very probably not the majority that people have difficulty with but the extreme viewpoints that garner publicity. But when it's extreme viewpoints that drive a political agenda that raises especial concerns.

LaSqrrl · 11/07/2018 11:38

Lots of women are seeing the hostile takeover of 'woman', here

"But until you understand that the word ‘woman’ has a meaning already, and it belongs to people like me and that we need it; until you understand that by appropriating that name, you are breaking down the ideas, the representation, the spaces and the services women have fought for for years; until you understand that women are not men, that it is because of men and only because of men that women need distinct ideas, spaces and services, I will be campaigning against your stance."

Loads of women everywhere are waking up, and are saying "no! hell no!"

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LaSqrrl · 11/07/2018 11:39

you fucking useless woke versions of the religious police

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LittleLebowski · 11/07/2018 11:43

Here’s a tip for male-to-female trans-people and their lefty male allies: if you find yourself insulting a woman because she describes herself as a woman, you’ve lost the plot, and you’ve lost the right to call yourself a progressive person.

Yeah Owen Jones and the rest of the brocialist society.

AnyFucker · 11/07/2018 11:47

Excellent article by MrO'Neill there

Soubriquet · 11/07/2018 11:50

Funny isn't it

We are being told we MUST accept trans women are women. To not do so, is akin to murdering puppies

Yet if we turn round and say I refuse to be known as a cis woman, you may as well just admit to skinning puppies alive

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 11/07/2018 11:51

I'd probably rephrase the title to 'the only people allowed to identify as wemen these days, are men'.

imwideawake · 11/07/2018 11:52

I've always loved Alison Moyet!


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