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Look what happened when Alison Moyet refused to be called a cis woman **title amended at request of OP**

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LaSqrrl · 11/07/2018 09:48

"You can identify as anything you want these days, except as a woman. Consider what happened to British singer Alison Moyet. Last week, on Twitter, she said she didn’t want to be known as a cs-woman, just as a woman. ‘I defend everyone’s right to have the pronoun that they choose and will honour it’, she diplomatically said. And ‘I do not choose Cs for mine’, she continued. ‘It took women like me long enough to own the title “woman” in the first place. It’s a long enough word for me.’ The response to this calm, clear, polite act of self-definition? Fury. And insult. And abuse. On such a voluble level that Moyet eventually recanted her linguistic heresy, deleted her tweet, and left Twitter."
Read rest of the article here.

Moyet's response to being 'forcibly assigned' the c*s label was quite polite and restrained (far more so than I can ever muster). Yet she was relentlessly told by the twitterverse to 'stfu woman' with a pile of 'hate tweets' - that she should accept it, like it or not.

Moyet has several follow up tweets, including this one where she says:
"I will name you as you identify. Must you afford me less?"

Apparently the answer is "no". And more reasons to stfu and accept it. Hmm

'Woman' is not terra nullius, we are 52%. We will not be hoodwinked into giving up our names, only for males to claim them (that is what the c-prefix is all about). Our answer is "no" and is not the start of a 'negotiation'.

OP posts:
Yambabe · 17/07/2018 12:52

I too have added a couple of (mild) tweets of support.

This has resulted in me being blocked by terfblocker Hmm

At least I assume it's this. My only other GC activity in the twittersphere is to follow Sandy Draws Badly. Ho hum.

Anlaf · 26/07/2018 10:19

Alison is undaunted

Nah. Let’s be clear. ‘Cis’ doesn’t work for me. You, I will name as you prefer. Me. I’m old school vagina born.
#Woman is not a slur, neither is it an assault, nor is it complicated.

Bowlofbabelfish · 26/07/2018 10:35

She’s holding her own on that thread with some serious grace. Well done :) a lot of people on there wanting to up the emotional tone and she’s just calmly bringing it down every time.

Masterful (mistressful?)... massive respect, Alison 👍

Freespeecher · 26/07/2018 11:01

To go back to the OP, I've heard Julia Hartley-Brewer say to the likes of India Willoughby "You use the words you want to use and I'll use the words I want to use".

Seems to be working for her so far (but perhaps not everyone is as strong-minded as her when it comes to dealing with those who take exception to get position).

nauticant · 26/07/2018 11:08

AM is doing fine work there Bowlofbabelfish:

Freespeecher · 26/07/2018 11:17

(Should finish 'to her position', doh).

I'll add Moyet to my list of 'celebs who are unexpectedly good value on the issues of the day'. She joins Shappi Khorsandi who, while I can take or leave her comedy, is very good on Iran and free speech due to her upbringing as the daughter of an Iranian dissident.

Juells · 26/07/2018 11:21

Don't you love all those men explaining things to her? One wearing a huge fucking bushy beard to underline his masculinity.

Datun · 26/07/2018 12:43

Wow, Alison Moyet is very adroit on that thread.

The way she is handling the opposition is first class.

And every time someone says you are cis, get over it, she will mentally be taking out another crampon to scale that peak.

FloralBunting · 26/07/2018 12:52

Absolutely fascinating. All these people saying "This isn't the erasure of women, this is not taking anything away from you", and here they are in their droves telling a woman she is not allowed to call herself a woman.

And she's a straight down the line ally, too, not even a nasty T*.

Could there be a clearer illustration of nothing but total capitulation being enough?

Freespeecher · 26/07/2018 13:47

I hope Tracey Ullman can lend her the "Fuck off, Jamie" meme. Should come in handy.

Ereshkigal · 26/07/2018 13:59

The way she is handling the opposition is first class.

It's wonderful. I want to send her a big bunch of flowers for doing it in a way which makes her look entirely reasonable to outsiders and them look like whiny troll brats who like controlling and verbally abusing women.

Datun · 26/07/2018 14:02

I completely agree. It's poetry to watch.

MangoSplit · 27/07/2018 12:29

Go Alison

Theswaggyotter · 27/07/2018 20:01

Link is not working for me - is it still up? I’m glad she’s back and standing her ground

AnotherQuoll · 27/07/2018 20:49

Link took me to a "This page doesn't exist!" message, and in a later Tweet Alison mentions she deleted because the thread was upsetting someone but didn't clarify who or why.

I imagine it's also the only way to ensure a raging mass of gender zealots won't keep replying to it and quote-tweeting, just to set up camp in her Mentions for the next two months.

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