Are we the baddies?

[DJLippy]

Are we the baddies?

Are Terf's as bad as everybody seems to say?

Are we on the wrong side of history?

Anyone ever stop to ask themselves this or is it just me?

Always respecting female need for a space away from male violence - politics lade aside...

This is the only way forward. Third space all the way!

So if women need a separate space why will trans women - who are physically and/or legally and/or emotionally female - be safe in that unisex third space? Which is why suggesting a third space is anti-trans.

Wtf does emotionally female mean?

Would a third space be unisex? Or would it be just for those who are gender non conforming? So men wouldn't be expected to use third space facilities just as they wouldn't be expected to use the women's facilities.

Emotionally female, holy fuck.

EMOTIONALLY FEMALE?!!

Or should I cry, delicately? 😢

Just simper for a bit, see how it goes.

And if men's spaces are dangerous, but they wouldn't come into female spaces because of reasons, then why the assumption they will come into spaces for gender-non-conforming people?
I mean, given that TRAs have proven time and again what gentle, delicate souls they are, why would you be worried about sharing a space with them?

Remember, as a woman, crying is your strongest suit. Don't use it too early.

OK, let's have a definition of "emotionally female".

(Does one need to be under 5ft8 and emotionally female or will just the one do?)

You can, of course, interject through out the discourse with subtle dabs of the handkerchief to the corners of the eyes if you don't want to overplay your emotional hand too soon.

Top tip for womaning, Floral

Go on to some men's websites and ask them what THEY'RE going to do to make transwomen feel more comfortable safe, whether in a sex-segregated space or any other.

A million times this, then please report back.

I've always preferred being unemotionally female, drives misogynists mad.

Absolutely question myself on this all the time. My kids (one trans) think I'm a terf and it's the most hurtful thing in the world. It would be so much easier to give them what they think they want. I have to stick with my gut though and if I tell my kid you can change sex they will end up disappointed. Also I can't encourage my male born child to access female facilities because it's unfair. My view is I obviously love him more than anything and that won't change whatever his name, clothes etc are. However medical treatment should be a last resort. Also, transition is a choice he is free to make, but that may go hand in hand with losing some privileges such as competitive sport etc. I feel in my heart that the GC view is the truth but it is still a troubling and confusing situation.

Best wishes Newbie for steering through everything with your child.

dog Tbh am sure not one working class person believes any o& this stuff. Not oneb
Dog speaking the truth again! I look at my sanctimonious sjw kids and it's their middle class privilege showing. They've never had a real problem in their lives and this is the cause they decided on

Thank you Pratchet. (You're not so pithy 😂)

Daim Bespin

No! You're not getting it! You think you know us but you don't.

Bespin, you think GC feminists are old fashioned/ wrong side of history
Daim you said misguided, trying to protect women and children.

No - that's not me. Old fashioned anti LGBT views were based on bigotry and fear of diversity. GC people fucking love diversity! We hate the prison of gender norms. I'm GC BECAUSE I'm protecting MY trans child. Because I want him to have a full joyous life of embracing who he is in all his quirky non-conforming glory. Because I don't want him to think the way to happiness is by mutilating his body and sacrificing his fertility. Because I want him to learn to love himself AND RESPECT WOMEN so he can build fabulous relationships. I'm not harming my kids - trans ideology is. I am not a baddie.

💪🏻💪🏻👏🏻👏🏻 the young ones don't realise we've seen more gender non-conformity than they can imagine and we thought it was great

NewbieSpartacus

I don't think this new GC view is based on bigotry of the past. I beleive on the whole these are genuine questions. though there are some bigots in this debate who cheepen your views when they go too far, they are a small minority. we also have them ours seen to threaten violance to anyone who apposed there view. we always have to remember not everyone who supports our views as the same aims.

how old is your son (I'm assuming trans feminine)
is this something they have always been or is it just them experimenting. if they go on to socially transition will you support there choice I ask as my mother can and will not do that and will never change. I know she loves me still but that this is the hardest thing for her to deal with the loss of her son.
it's something I have always tried to explain to trans young people when they expect there parents to simply except who they are over night.
well it's late but I'm happy to discuss this tomorrow you are certainly not the bad guy in this no patent if a trans child is they are simply doing what they think is best to protect there child. all you can ask is that your view on this is not too fixed and thst if this is who they are that when they need that support and they will as this journey is no walk in the park that you are there for them if you believe this ideology or not does not matter. I've often told parents and young trans people it's ok to wait but that if it's who they are that wait can not be indefinite
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Someone who says someone else is "on the wrong side of history" are usually trying to convince themselves. It's the new version of "god is on our side".

Thanks Bespin. Yes I would always support them no matter what, I just want him to be happy obviously. He has to express himself however he likes. On the other hand I have said to him I'm proud of you and you're amazing, but I'm never going to say a kid with a male frame has done a brilliant thing by winning a girls' race. (My kid isn't sporty but you get the idea). And you should be very sure before you have hormones or surgery. The difficulty with teens these days is the mass of pressure online affirming trans ideology and that's what brings us to these disagreements.

Also Bespin, I don't believe transition is the ONLY solution; I think it's possible to have therapy that goes into your issues without it being called conversion therapy. For example, trauma and abuse can sometimes be at the root of the desire to transition. In my child's case I think pressure from other people is a factor. Without delving into the background, people can transition but then still be unhappy because the root cause is still there.

And can you just clarify, you said about extremists and threats of violence, were you talking about TRAs? Not both sides.