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Safeguarding girls and protecting women post Jimmy Saville & #metoo

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SpareRibFem · 09/07/2018 10:59

I don't understand, there was a lot of hand wringing after the revelations about Jimmy Saville became widely accepted. #metoo there was more handwringing about the need to listen to women when they are telling you something that makes you uncomfortable.

Saville was allowed to get away with what he didn't because he created an aura of fear and people would afraid of the backlash if they spoke up. Those that did suffered.

We were promised something like that could never happen again...

And yet now despite many women and girls saying they feel afraid and uncomfortable sharing single sex spaces with someone with a penis weren't told we're bigoted and verbally abused for saying that. Our employers are contacted and told we're bigots, we're doxxed.

And organisations like girl guides are going still further in saying it must be kept a secret when girls are being forced to sleep and change with a male bodied teen with a penis (& teen levels of hormones) and I'm not even allowed to identify what sex that male bodied teen with a penis is on a public forum

Girl Guides are taking that approach despite the knowledge that abusers use secrecy and shame to their advantage.

Just like with Saville anyone who excesses concerns is shouted down and accused of being the person in the wrong by the powerful. There is a culture of fear now. Celebrity voices in particular (thinking people like Munroe Bergdorf, Stephen Fry and long list of others) are given more weight to shout down women's concerns. Male bodied people feelings are paramount despite almost all sexual abusers being male bodied (and most of the tiny tiny number of female bodied sexual abusers working with and being in thrall to a male bodied abuser)

Did we as a society learn nothing from Saville & the multitude of other abuse scandals that women and children/girls should be listened to, that celebrities voices help hide abusers, that telling girls to keep secrets from their parents about the presence of penises in their bedrooms and changing rooms and showing them they will be blamed and abused if they transgress and tell someone creates an environment where abuse can flourish.

OP posts:
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R0wantrees · 16/11/2018 07:01

'At-risk children 'left to fend for themselves' after service cuts
Funding for early intervention reduced by more than a quarter in five years, charity says'
(extract)
"Thousands of children at risk of abuse and neglect are being left to fend for themselves because of substantial cuts to family support services over the past five years, a charity has warned.

Action for Children said its analysis of official figures published on Thursday showed council budgets for early help services designed to prevent families falling into crisis had shrunk by £743m – more than a quarter – over the past five years.

The cut includes a £450m reduction in Sure Start children’s centre budgets alone, which fell by 42% between 2013-14 and 2018-19.

Over the same period, spending on child protection and children in care rose by £597m (10%), which local authorities have said is a reflection of rapidly growing demand for emergency interventions driven by rising poverty levels and welfare cuts.

Imran Hussain, the director of policy and campaigns at Action for Children, said: “We know from our own work that without the safety net of well-funded early help services like children’s centres, thousands of children at risk of abuse, neglect or domestic violence are being left to fend for themselves until problems spiral out of control." (continues)
www.theguardian.com/society/2018/sep/27/at-risk-children-left-fend-for-themselves-after-cuts-services

R0wantrees · 21/11/2018 10:42

Guardian, 'Why do we separate the mother and child victims of domestic abuse?'
Louise Tickle
(extract)
"It is a grotesque indictment of the child protection system that women are blamed for failing their children, not supported
Domestic abuse hurts children, whether they are the direct target, or find themselves witness to warfare in their home. The latest government figures show that half of all children assessed as needing social services support are in that plight through domestic abuse – and when social workers feel a child is no longer safe at home, they can be removed into the care system.

This means being taken away from their mothers – typically the victim in all this. But she’s not usually the one being violent. Most often, it’s the children’s father or stepfather who is. As rates of reported domestic abuse soar – incidents sufficiently serious to be recorded by police as crimes rose 5% between 2016 and 2017, according to the Office for National Statistics – it’s estimated by the charity Safe Lives that 130,000 children live in households with “high‑risk” domestic abuse. So why are victims investigated by social services, rather than the perpetrators who cause such physical and mental harm?

Too often victims’ experience is a grotesque indictment of the child protection system that is failing both women and children. A clinical psychologist tells me of one mother who survived a shockingly violent relationship despite getting little support from any service that might have been expected to help. Instead of support and concern for her safety, she lost her children to adoption. In an extraordinary twist, this woman now has a criminal conviction for failing to protect her children, while her abuser remains free. And while the police are seeing more cases of domestic violence, charging rates have dropped. Removing children from their mother – often breaking up sibling groups in the process – by blaming that terrified victim for “failing to protect”s is the ultimate in victim-blaming. It has unpleasant and deeply sexist echoes of the way women are regularly told to change their behaviour, clothes and where they walk so they don’t get raped.

We will never effectively protect children if we view the prevention of harm from domestic abuse as the victim’s job: it fails to put the responsibility in the right place – with the perpetrator. We know that domestic abusers regularly break non-molestation orders with virtual impunity. And so the logic of children’s services is fatally flawed: when even the courts cannot restrain a violent criminal, what hope has any victim? How can a woman be required to pack up with the kids and leave home when the refuge and support services to provide a safe haven for mothers and their children no longer exist in so many areas of the country?" (continues)
www.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/20/separate-mother-child-victims-domestic-abuse

R0wantrees · 06/12/2018 10:13

On consent:

Guardian article today, 'Quarter of adults think marital sex without consent is not rape, UK survey finds
Campaigners say findings show large proportion of potential jurors are unclear about rape'

(extract)
"Potential jurors hold “alarming” views about sexual violence, a major report into attitudes towards rape has revealed.

A survey commissioned by the End Violence Against Women Coalition found that a third of people in the UK think it isn’t usually rape if a woman is pressured into having sex but there is no physical violence.

Almost a quarter of the 4,000 people questioned in the Attitudes to Sexual Consent survey carried out by Yougov believed sex without consent in long-term relationships was usually not rape. Laws against rape in marriage have been in place since 1991.

The results came as Jeremy Corbyn warned that the country was facing a “rape crisis”, and as MPs welcomed a survivor of Rotherham’s child exploitation scandal to the Commons.

The report revealed a stark generational gap in attitudes – with more than a third of over-65s believing that in most cases sex without consent with your wife or partner was not rape, compared with just 16% of 16- to 24-year-olds.

This was a concern, the report said, because “many of the cases being reported to the police are younger women who have a clear view of consent, which may not be shared by many of the people who make up juries”.

Rachel Krys, the co-director of the End Violence Against Women Coalition, said that while the #MeToo movement had shone a light on the scale of sexual violence and encouraged more women to report rape, society and the criminal justice system was failing in its response.

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“These figures are alarming because they show that a huge proportion of UK adults – who make up juries in rape trials – are still very unclear about what rape is,” she said." (continues)

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/dec/06/quarter-of-adults-think-marital-sex-without-consent-is-not-uk-survey-finds

The law which enabled rape within marriage to be prosecuted informed the laws & policies with regards 'consent' which are at the heart of Safeguarding. Prior to 1991 (less than 30 years ago) prosecuting rape within marriage was not possible

R0wantrees · 30/12/2018 13:50

Report & Transcript of Mermaids Charity training session for teachers identifies Safeguarding issues.

Times article by Janice Turner:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-ideologists-are-spreading-cod-science-m8n0pdbq3?shareToken=3be0ee97d24e2ed7368c913e8c7ee466

thread (link to transcripts p10)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3454658-recording-of-mermaids-training?pg=10

R0wantrees · 08/01/2019 10:18

Current thread,
OP timetostepup wrote:
"A bunch of people who claim to be "non offending" paedophiles have joined twitter recently. They're openly tweeting about being paedophiles. They call themselves MAPs (Minor Attracted Persons) or NOMAPS. Their bios contain info such as the age of children they're attracted to.

I've reported some of them using Twitter's link for reporting Child Sexual Exploitation but I'm not sure if that's the right place as there's no evidence of any child being involved, also I reported them 3 days ago but the accounts are still up and I haven't had anything more than a confirmation - and I don't have a lot faith in twitter at the moment tbh.

They're claiming they're not a threat because they control their urge to offend. But we've been here before haven't we - this is just like PIE.

What should we do? Who can we report this to? Would the police be interested? Are they breaking the law?

Should we mass report Twitter on this?

I've attached an example, to find the others use the hashtags MAP or NOMAP or search for "MAP community".

What's the best way to deal with this?"
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3467841-How-to-report-paedophiles-on-Twitter

embedded link to Twitter: help.twitter.com/forms/cse

For UK see CEOP reporting and guidance:
'Are you worried about online sexual abuse or the way someone has been communicating with you online?
Make a report to one of CEOP's Child Protection Advisors'
www.ceop.police.uk/safety-centre/

R0wantrees · 14/01/2019 12:29

Systemic failures to understand Safeguarding identified in the Veritas enquiry commissioned by The Green Party following revelations of David Challenor's convictions for serious sexual assault of a child.

The role and capability of David Challenor's child, Aimee Challenor (prominant party officer and influential member of Stonewall) also highlighted as a serious concern:

From the full report:

"From our conversations with her, it is clear that Aimee Challenor did not demonstrate a clear understanding of safeguarding and still does not see the safeguarding issues that this case gave rise to."

For example:

6.62. We asked Aimee whether she considered there were safeguarding issues arising from her father’s involvement with the party. She told us: “There wouldn’t have been safeguarding. He had no personal access to members or members’ data".

www.docdroid.net/9or0q0H/final-verita-report-january-2019-1.pdf#page=44

The report also highlighted a key urgent Safeguarding requirement which should be applied in all political parties, charities & organisations

Recommendation R4
The Green Party should urgently review its safeguarding policy and procedures to strengthen its approach to raising awareness and improving processes for reporting safeguarding concerns and risks to people outside the party.

Safeguarding risks are particularly acute in unstructured environments where interactions with vulnerable people are unregulated, unlike environmentssuch as schools where interactions are carefully managed. Political parties and election campaigns are just this sort of unstructured environment.

”Comment As we have noted, prioritising the safety of children and vulnerable people is anindividual responsibility ofevery member of society.

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3477761-Andrew-Gilligan-Times-Green-high-flyer-Aimee-Challenor-hid-father-s-rape-charges-David-Challenor-A-paedophile-rapist-posed-a-major-safeguarding-risk-for-almost-two-years

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3474311-Veritas-report-due-tomorrow-Thursday-at-midday-re-Aimee-Challenor

SunsetBeetch · 14/01/2019 13:41

Another awful revelation from the past. This man died from an Aids rated illness. I really hope he didn't infect ny of the boys he abused.

Note that a charity worker contacted the police several times.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/policeman-blocked-probe-rotherham-style-13849657.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true

R0wantrees · 17/01/2019 13:46

'Oxfam failed to address sexual misconduct and bullying, finds review
Independent commission says charity lacked robust safeguarding policies and was inconsistent in dealing with complaints'

(extract)
A damning interim review has highlighted Oxfam’s failure to tackle an environment at the charity that allowed sexual misconduct and bullying to go unchecked.

The report, produced by an independent commission, warned that no uniform system exists for dealing with complaints and said there are “drastic inconsistencies” in the way safeguarding issues are handled across the 90-plus countries in which Oxfam International operates.

The review added that multiple staff across different Oxfam offices believe bullying is pervasive, and highlighted concerns about a lack of confidentiality in investigation processes.

Guardian Today: the headlines, the analysis, the debate - sent direct to you
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“At the heart of this issue is how power is managed and trust is earned and kept. The risks associated with reporting allegations of sexual exploitation and abuse are often high,” the report said." (continues)
www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/jan/17/oxfam-failed-to-address-sexual-misconduct-and-bullying-finds-review

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3481825-Another-report-identifies-Safeguarding-failures-Guardian-Oxfam-failed-to-address-sexual-misconduct-and-bullying

R0wantrees · 17/01/2019 17:19

BBC
'Child abuse detectives had 'cynical disdain' for accusers'
(extract)
Two police officers scuppered a series of child abuse investigations through a combination of laziness and a "cynical disdain" for the accusers, a court heard.

Essex Police Det Cons Sharon Patterson, 49, and Lee Pollard, 47, are accused of three counts misconduct in public office between 2011 and 2014.

The Old Bailey was told the couple forged documents, concealed evidence and misrepresented investigations.

Both defendants deny the charges.

The allegations against the officers, who live together in Colchester, came to light when performance reviews were carried out into the child abuse investigation team in which they worked in.

Prosecutor Alexandra Healy QC told the jury: "The effect was that allegations of child sex offences were not properly investigated; the motivation appears to have been a combination of laziness, self-preservation and a cynical disdain for complainants in child abuse investigations."

Their conduct was "beyond incompetence" and not down to a "lack of resources" or "insufficient investigative manpower", she said. (continues)
www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-essex-46905297

SpareRibFem · 17/01/2019 18:29

And still nothing changes Sad

OP posts:
R0wantrees · 19/01/2019 19:57

'Home Office reducing support for internally trafficked children despite surge in UK victims
Exclusive: More child victims of modern slavery at risk of falling back into exploitation after government announces specialised one-to-one support will be scaled back'

by May Bulman
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/child-trafficking-victims-home-office-modern-slavery-reduce-support-victims-surge-a8731321.html

R0wantrees · 21/01/2019 15:50

(Francis Crook CEO Howard League)

"The Howard League runs a free and confidential legal advice line for children and young people in custody. During the three-year period covered by the review, the charity received more than 50 calls in respect of about 40 children in Medway and made a number of safeguarding referrals.

Frances Crook, Chief Executive of the Howard League for Penal Reform, said: “No one who watched the Panorama documentary on Medway will ever forget its most distressing scenes. Today’s report reveals in yet more detail the harmful culture that has festered there for decades.

“The Howard League opposed the creation of secure training centres in the 1990s and warned that children would be damaged and hurt in these institutions. For many years independent inspectors’ findings have underlined that this is a failed model of detention. After more than 20 years of children being mistreated and their life chances damaged, it is time to put an end to this.

“The government has plans to convert it into a ‘secure school’, but a renaming exercise is not going to deal with the fundamental toxicity of this institution. Medway must close and it must close now.”

howardleague.org/news/howard-league-responds-to-serious-case-review-in-relation-to-incidents-at-medway-secure-training-centre/

Medway Safeguarding
Children Board
Serious Case Review
‘Learning for organisations arising
from incidents at Medway Secure
Training Centre’

www.mscb.org.uk/pdf/MSCB%20-%20Medway%20STC%20Overview%20Report%20-%20Final%20Version.pdf

Safeguarding girls and protecting women post Jimmy Saville & #metoo
R0wantrees · 21/02/2019 15:00

current thread discussing Dr Julia Long's question about child exploitation to Munore Bergdorf at a recent event and the subsequent attempts to silence concerns.

OP HappyDappy wrote,
"Julia Long was asked to leave the venue, after asking MB if it was normal that an 11yr old child dancing in front of adults, has money thrown at them by grown men. This was at Transmission & was deemed an offensive question....video footage on twitter of the incident.....worth a watch, sorry I can’t link to it but hope someone else can."

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd4UCemsC6s&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop

LangCleg's comment:
"How did the scandal of TV entertainers grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

How did the scandal of Catholic priests grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

How did the scandal of on-street gangs grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

Because if you create a sacred caste of any group and silence anyone asking questions about individuals on behalf of the sacred caste, abusers will see, infiltrate, and groom and exploit children. That''s how.

It's just tangential to me that the current group above criticism is extremist transactivism. I couldn't give a shit which group is ignoring the safeguarding of children - TV entertainers, Catholic priests, transactivists - it's all the same to me.

I will not be told I cannot point out safeguarding failures when I see them. "

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3512177-Julia-Long-asking-Munro-Bergdorf-about-child-exploitation

Object! article detailing Safeguarding issues by HANNAH HARRISON
concludes:
"The fabrication of the 'transgender' child (or the child ‘Drag Queen’) is similar to the creation of the child 'sex worker'. These misleading labels are placed on ordinary children in order to disguise and excuse the exploitation of these children in the fulfillment of an adult agenda – in both cases, to cater to the sexual interests of adult men.

The 'trans rights' movement reframes the removal of children's safeguarding as granting children 'freedom of expression'. This is similar to paedophiles advocating for the 'sexual rights of children'. In both cases, the proponents of these movements are actually interested in promoting men's 'sexual rights'."

www.objectnow.org/news/2019/1/15/trans-kids-paedophilia-in-drag?

JustAnotherWoman · 22/02/2019 09:24

I find it disheartening, does this mean as a society the majority will keep accepting a forceful group as being above suspicion and give them access to children without safeguarding and demonise those that flag concerns ?
I wonder what the next grouping of males to be regarded as above suspicion will be when this group loses their protective coating?
The reputations of good priests (and there were and still are many) are all tarnished by association with the pedophiles that infiltrated the church and by the Catholic Church not acting.

R0wantrees · 26/03/2019 14:02

from thread,
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3425816-Can-we-talk-about-Lisa-Muggeridge?pg=3

woman19 wrote:
Saw this article today and thought of what Lisa Muggeridge had alluded to.

Looked for her You tube lectures, and can't find them.

But she was and is on the money.

The Guardian reported last November that experts warned vulnerable children were being “treated like cattle” and moved around care homes in England and Wales, with councils routinely inviting companies to compete for the contracts through an online bidding process

A Guardian investigation discovered evidence of councils putting the personal details of children in online adverts, including information about previous sexual abuse and gang involvement, while inviting bids from private companies for their care

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/mar/26/record-number-of-children-missing-from-care-in-uk

R0wantrees · 05/04/2019 20:47

Further to concerns raised last August on MN with regards NSPCC's failure to consider Safeguarding concerns with regards advice given about accomodating wishes of children/parents of children questioning their gender identity.
See current thread discussing NSPCC Twitter incorrect advice about school single sex facilities:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3551084-The-NSPCC-arent-right-about-this-are-they

JustAnotherWoman · 05/04/2019 22:43

Thanks ROwantrees I wouldn't want to be one of the NSPCCs trustees when the inevitable inquiry happens. This and other threads will give lie to the defence that nobody was sounding the alarm.

Angryresister · 05/04/2019 23:25

Thank you ROwantrees for continuing to show why we should all be on our guard and not allow this to ever happen again. I don't see adequate official responses however. Glad I am no longer on the front line though but Flowers for those that are.

R0wantrees · 06/04/2019 10:15

This powerful & eloquent post from the thread above identifies the significance of fundamental Safeguarding failures & the impact on vulnerable girls & women failed by frameworks & organisation intended to protect:

ChickenonaMug Fri 05-Apr-19 23:38:49 wrote:

I am so upset by the whole attitude of the NSPCC, as a women who was sexually abused for many years of my childhood, I feel utterly betrayed by them. I am disgusted that they can make money from adverts about, and the public's concern for, girls who are experiencing sexual abuse and then turn around and imply that there are no concerns when these very groomed and traumatised girls are forced to share spaces with males.

Girls who have been groomed and abused will often have very poor understanding of boundaries and how to assert them, and whilst they are desperately learning to develop and assert them they should not be expected to ignore or override them in order to be kind or inclusive to males (even those who identify as girls or women).

Equally, these vulnerable girls (who will often feel unable to speak up at all) should not have to suffer the really awful effects of their trauma responses, which will often occur when they feel especially vulnerable around males. Using a mixed toilet or changing room, or a single sex toilet next to a male who identifies as female, will often be very distressing.

A child with fragile boundaries or real fears about speaking up and asserting them will be particularly vulnerable to inappropriate sexual behaviour from her peers or other males. I know this because alongside the years of sexual abuse and rape from an adult male relative, I also was subject to inappropriate sexual behaviour from two male class mates, when I was about ten, on at least two or three occasions.

The NSPCC is letting vulnerable girls, and in fact all girls, down in the most horrific of ways. Their input into this has resulted in groups, such as Girlguiding and British Gymnastics, coming up with policies that also seriously ignore the wellbeing and safeguarding of girls and also remove a safe space for these girls, in which they might have started to recover or build resilience.

Amongst other things the stance that the NSPCC has taken in this will undoubtedly, in my mind, result in abused girls who will now find it far harder to recover and intergrate into society. I can not stress enough the importance of being able to rely on single sex spaces in allowing me to negiogate a path through life, especially in my teens and twenties.

The NSPCC is completely failing sexually abused girls and as I wrote at the beginning it has often been adverts that have been about abused girls that have brought in the money for them. And their directors' salaries are not small. I feel that women and girls like me have been used by them and then our needs ignored and abandoned. The NSPCC disgust me.

Also, I have watched despairingly in the last few hours as the NSPCC have thanked people on twitter for their messages in which they have called the women raising valid concerns: bigots and transphobes.

To the NSPCC, I do not care what I am called I will continue to do what I can to ensure that the safety, wellbeing, recovery and social integration of sexually abused girls is not impacted by policies or practices that do not consider their needs and rights. Balancing the rights of vulnerable children was always going to be extremely difficult, but the NSPCC should have properly acknowledged this and then helped other organisations to understand the different conflicting needs and their impact within a legal and safeguarding framework and subsequently come up with appropriate solutions. The NSPCC could have led the way with this and done what was expected of them but instead..."

Flowers all due to Chicken

Angryresister · 06/04/2019 14:25

Agree...fantastic post from chickenFlowers

R0wantrees · 06/04/2019 14:45

additional comment which is especially relevent to this thread since it centres the needs of girls in need of robust Safeguarding & Child Protection.

ChickenonaMug Sat 06-Apr-19 13:25:42 wrote:
"Thank you everyone for the flowers.

I really am so worried about the impact that all this will have on girls and young women who have been sexually abused. There is a direct conflict of needs and rights that needs addressing and the NSPCC really should have been the ones with the understanding and ability to address it. Because they are not acknowledging the issue then it means that all the other organisations think that if the NSPCC aren't acknowledging an issue, then they do need to try and understand or address the issue either.

The NSPCC really are completely failing abused girls.

I could write so much on this by drawing on my past. I respect a person's need to identify themselves as they do. However, one of the most important things that a groomed and abused child must learn is that they have the right to recognise someone else as they need to in order to assess risks and safeguard themselves. To a sexual abused girl the recognition of a person's sex is absolutely fundamental and even more than that will probably become part of her instinctive and trauma-based response. I can not help reacting to males not matter what I do and no matter how they identify. This does not make me or any other girl/women abuse survivor, transphobic or bigoted.

I am at a point in my life where in most circumstances I can walk out if a situation makes me feel uncomfortable but a school girl in a mixed sex toilet or changing room or who is sharing a tent with a male on a Girl Guides trip does not have the chance to just walk out. Compound this with the fact that so many of these girls will not speak out for so many reasons (fear, shame etc) and you will have an entirely vulnerable and deeply suffering girl. Even worse is the fact that these girls will often be very good at hiding their distress and suffering. I was very good at not drawing attention to myself and appearing as though everything was fine, both during the years that I was abused and also in the years that followed.

To understand the trauma response that sexually abused girls might feel in the years following the abuse I can only say that for me that it got worse when I felt at risk and many situations with males could provoke that. Also the feelings that occur and the many nightmares that I had feel very much being abused and raped all over again. The NSPCC should know this and not be ignoring these girls or contributing to making their recovery harder.

These needs and rights of these girls should not be ignored simply because they are have no voice. My anger at the NSPCC is because they are the ones who should be representing and amplify their voice.

I am trying my best to represent the voice of abused girls in all this but it is not easy obviously. Unfortunately I am not being properly listened to by the likes of Girlguiding and I have been pretty much told by my MP that the mental health needs of transgender people are so great that they therefore are the most vulnerable in this, with the implication being that abused girls are just going to have to deal with it. My MP was also very rude to a friend who went along on the second occasion to support me.

I do not feel particularly hopeful at the moment for how this is all going to turn out for abused girls. This is all a clear demonstration to me that they are the bottom of the pile, yet again."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3551084-The-NSPCC-arent-right-about-this-are-they?pg=9

LangCleg · 14/04/2019 09:25

Transgender Trend summation of safeguarding breaches in lobby group material going into schools including:

 Promising confidentiality to a child
 Parental Alienation
 Promoting use of off label drugs and minimising harms
 Erosion of sexual boundaries

www.transgendertrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Safeguarding-Concerns-Transgender-Schools-Guidance.pdf

Thread here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3559214-Transgender-Trend-Schools-Guidance-Safeguarding-Concerns

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2019 12:27

@LangCleg

In answer to your comment in the dog whistle thread which got closed yesterday - about the twitter thread on profit making out of in care children whilst the public sector care system is just completely out of money; I hadn't seen that but it's in keeping with a number of articles on the same subject (I think I linked a couple here).

I've also just seen this article about the deaths of two toddlers.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/mps-blast-failings-council-after-16498845.amp?__twitter_impression=true
MPs blast 'failings' by council after two toddlers murdered in 6 months
Two-year-old Dylan Tiffin-Brown and one-year-old Evelyn-Rose Muggleton both died in horrific circumstances

Last week a serious case review found "serious weaknesses" in Northamptonshire County Council's safeguarding practices at the time of the murders in late 2017 and early 2018.

Shadow Local Government Secretary Andrew Gwynne raised an urgent debate in the Commons yesterday.

Northamptonshire Council is particularly concerning because its the council that went bust - and has been placed in special measures. And hasn't had local elections since as a result of its bankruptcy.

I also note this:
Tory MP Sir Desmond Swayne said Northamptonshire had the "most expensive children's services in the county", asking: "So funding wasn't an issue, was it?"

I personally be really interested to therefore know how the services were structured and who was getting what. Was it all in house, or was a lot of care being out sourced - thus allowing the Tory MP to argue that the department was being well funded. If a lot of care was outsourced, and not going to the front line at the expense of children whilst other in house services such as directly employed council services where more neglected and / or a general culture wherein safeguarding procedures themselves were not the priority, I'd be concerned.

Simply saying the services had plenty of money, misses the point. You can't just look at the financial alone without looking at the human side of it.

Something isn't right here. I don't know what. I don't know why. But the pieces of the puzzle don't add up, and politicians don't necessarily seem to be asking the right questions. Nor does there seem to be any accountability here. Especially given the status of the council.

I don't know, but there are many councils in financial trouble on the brink of bankruptcy. I know my own council was talking about a blackhole of 50 million in social care which they didn't have the money to cover.

This ultimately doesn't come done to party politics. It comes down to whether social is happy to allow a situation where abuse is almost inevitable due to lack of consideration and oversight of safeguarding as a priority and how funding is a key element of that. Its not about purely how much money goes in, but how its spent and who benefits from it.

The word corruption is one that gently sits simmering towards the top of this whole debate. Who is being seduced by money, to turn away from abuses of the system and the weakening of safeguards. From Stonewall, to the NSPCC, to the councils outsourcing care, its all about corporate profit and corporate image over the proper purpose of the organisation. Whose pockets are getting lined. And as I say its supported by both the left and the right and are guilty in their own ways.

R0wantrees · 11/06/2019 12:47

Something isn't right here. I don't know what. I don't know why. But the pieces of the puzzle don't add up, and politicians don't necessarily seem to be asking the right questions. Nor does there seem to be any accountability here. Especially given the status of the council.

I don't know, but there are many councils in financial trouble on the brink of bankruptcy. I know my own council was talking about a blackhole of 50 million in social care which they didn't have the money to cover.

A massive amount of money has been spent on private care.
There is less awareness of the private residential care provision for Looked After Children.

Community Care article:
"Ten staff members arrested following BBC Panorama footage showing abuse at learning disability hospital
There has been a ferocious reaction to the abuse depicted on last week's BBC programme, which has been directed at providers, commissioners, government and the regulator"
www.communitycare.co.uk/2019/05/23/reaction-panorama-programme-abuse-learning-disability-hospital/