'Get the L Out' Statement by the lesbian protesters at Pride London

[R0wantrees]

getthelout.wordpress.com/blog/

Why “Get The L Out” ?
July 5, 2018
Angela C. Wild
Who We Are

Get the L Out is a group of lesbian and feminist individuals and organisations, opposing the increasingly anti-lesbian and misogynistic LGBT movement and the erasure of lesbians

Why We Protest

We believe that lesbian rights are under attack by the trans movement and we encourage lesbians everywhere to leave the LGBT and form their own independent movement, as well as to be vocal and take action against the proposed changes to the GRA.

Get the L Out believes trans politics (with uncritical support from the LGBT movement) does the following:

Promotes the social transition of lesbians, encouraging them to present as straight men thus favouring the pretence of heterosexuality over lesbianism – this is nothing more than a form of conversion therapy.
Promotes the medical transition of lesbians and pushes harmful drugs (untested hormone blockers, Lupron etc.) as well as unnecessary medical practices on perfectly healthy bodies – these are a form of misogynist medical abuse against lesbians.
Promotes the rights of heterosexual males who “identify” as women and lesbians (despite most of them still retaining their male genitals) over the rights of lesbians to choose their sexual partners. This new ‘queer’ LGBT politics thus coerces lesbians to accept the penis as a female organ and promotes heterosexual intercourse between male and female as a form of lesbian sex. This is simply a new facet to rape culture and compulsory heterosexuality." (continues)

I'm still trying to grasp the new user guidelines. How come cistern is allowed to use the term 'cis lesbians'? Surely this is offensive and dangerous to lesbians?

It's upsetting to this lesbian.
But I haven't reported as I think it's telling and it should stand.
Not unchallenged like.
I asked cistern to stop and cistern did not.

They're not. I haven't reported myself because those two posts are valuable as it shows exactly what these people think.

Tbh I'm impressed you could parse it all out.

I didn't report either and I take your point. One consequence, though, is that without being challenged by those in authority those in the TRA camp hostile to women will hear that such offensive language is OK (whilst policing our language).

I've started screencapping when I do report. It's easy for them to gaslight otherwise. The thing about women with infertility issues being somehow male is beyond the pale to me.
And lesbians aren't cis.
It's sickening to make assumptions about someone's relationship with gender at the best of times.
Lesbians have been forced to undergo fgm for not doing woman correctly. We have been raped for not doing woman correctly. We have been incarcerated for not doing woman correctly. We have been forced into exile for not doing woman correctly. Lesbians are not cis.

New poster appears with a long post in support of GC

• brilliant post - come on in, pull up a chair - don't apologise

New poster appears with a long post not in support of GC

• "That was really just another plop, in a slightly longer form, from freezingsheep wasn’t it?" followed immediately by a a stream of hostile posts

Yeah we're allowed to have, you know, our own opinions and stuff about what a good post is? none of yours

One consequence, though, is that without being challenged by those in authority those in the TRA camp hostile to women will hear that such offensive language is OK (whilst policing our language).

I know. I'm on the fence about it.

Lesbians have been forced to undergo fgm for not doing woman correctly. We have been raped for not doing woman correctly. We have been incarcerated for not doing woman correctly. We have been forced into exile for not doing woman correctly. Lesbians are not cis

And in the 50s and 60s I believe that prevailing Freudian ideas of what 'woman' is (which are remarkably similar to some of the understandings I have come across in some of the TRA discourses) led to lesbians and other GNC women being sectioned and/or given lobotomies or other invasive and non-reversible 'treatments'.

www.umass.edu/umpress/title/lesbian-menace

SuperLoud

I started writing everything down with xH for that very reason; otherwise I doubted my own sanity.

I am going to take your advice and avoid manliness for a while.

I am sorry that you are encountering abuse on what should be a supportive website. FWR is Feminism and Women’s Rights. It is not degrade and attack women.

The term cis-lesbian makes no sense any way. It is being used to mean ‘not trans’ lesbian, I think. A trans lesbian is a born male who adopts the outward signifiers of femininity and is attracted to woman - i.e presents as a woman and is attracted to woman, hence heterosexual male at root?

See, it would all make sense (and I could support) if the trans women trying to appropriate female experience and silence women would just call themselves radical men, and challenge hegemonic masculinity.

If someone came along and could expound with clarity that would be fab.

Wordsalad wordsalad male lesbians wordsalad wordsalad infertile women are men wordsalad wordsalad lesbians are cis is tedious and samey.

Generally new gc posters are posting from their experience which is interesting and relates to consciousness raising which has a long feminist tradition.

See, it would all make sense (and I could support) if the trans women trying to appropriate female experience and silence women would just call themselves radical men, and challenge hegemonic masculinity.

Why do that when it's so much easier and less scary to bully women instead?

Yep YAS that's what I was thinking of with incarceration although women were also arrested in the 50s for not wearing enough female clothing.

Imagine being locked up for knowing your sexual orientation and expressing a boundary in relation to it.

If you think thats scary then please listen to lesbians and stand in solidarity with us cos I feel like it's going to make a comeback

Linda bellos had an epileptic fit in police custody ffs

The thing about women with infertility issues being somehow male is beyond the pale to me.

THis is also linked for many younger women with hysterectomies as medical neccessity.

On Victoria Derbyshire and GenderQuake Debate prominant TRAs drew equivilence by the fact that women who had had hyterectomies were still women and so transwomen were similarly women. This went unchallenged by the hosts. It is repeated often.

On the recent 'Women is an adult human female thread a regular poster claimed that smell of a transwoman's surgically created orifice could be the same as a woman's vagina post hysterectomy. Also that the comparison was 'apt' since both were 'blind canals'

The comments were deleted as likely being uncivil/goady (I don't know). I think the appropriation is the uncivil thing and it is rampant and largely goes unchecked.

Spend some time with younger women who have, for whatever reason, had early menoapuse, hysterectomies and /or experience infertility and realise just how cruel it is that these comments are bandied around for the sake of trying to 'win' a semantic debate.

Its also demonstrates the failure of critical thinking, both by those who make the claims and those who in not challenging them collude.

[Flowers] KJ

I've never seen a definition of Trans that doesn't include me.
I don't want to be Trans.
I want to be able to define myself based on my biology.
Anything beyond that makes me distressed.
I can barely manage menstruation. Bled onto another couch this week. I hate the idea of it. I think that's to do with undiagnosed-at-puberty autism as much as being a lesbian.

I feel that the current Trans ideas don't take into account experiences of lesbians and autistic people. Or we are just told if we don't want to be in the Trans club we are cis.

I'm not cis.

I'm female but if I'm meant to have an internal sense of gender I definitely don't. If I was a brain in a jar I wouldn't have an idea of my sex.

If you think thats scary then please listen to lesbians and stand in solidarity with us cos I feel like it's going to make a comeback

Oh absolutely. Always have. Actually, I think that 'uppity', GNC or 'feminist in ways that challenge men (rather than support them or lead them to calling us 'fiesty') women are all in trouble.

I do so wish posters would not cite infertility, hysterectomy, missing genitals etc as in any way comparable or relevant to trans issues.

It's so massively inappropriate and horrible.

women who had had hyterectomies were still women and so transwomen were similarly women

Sorry what? So now the definition of woman is someone who either can or can't have babies?

I think it's why the green party had to bring in their clever new non men category.

Stop goading SD. No one is impressed.

The idea that the only point of female biology is reproduction is... sad? Sexist?

Look at an image of the internal shape of the clitoris. Print it out and take it to a plastic surgeon and ask if they can replicate it surgically if you like. See what they say.

It must have taken some ingenuity to come up with an ideology that manages to somehow be biologically essentialist at the same time as asserting that biology is irrelevant and all in the mind

On the recent 'Women is an adult human female thread a regular poster claimed that smell of a transwoman's surgically created orifice could be the same as a woman's vagina post hysterectomy. Also that the comparison was 'apt' since both were 'blind canals'

Glad I missed that one, R0wan

That is just so deluded and hateful I don’t even know where to start.

My post hysterectomy vagina is nothing like a neo vagina. Nothing. Jesus.