The mother of Tom Daley's child

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Congratulations on a healthy baby! Hope the birth went safely and that you are recovering well.

I just hate surrogacy in case you can't tell

Amen to that

I've already said that giving a child up for adoption can be a supreme act of love on behalf of the mother. However, for optimal brain and body development, it is the desirable outcome for a neonate to be with its mother. In a few years time Systems Biology will have demonstrated the details.

Gariguette I am perplexed by the level of venom in your post. I am not detailing the abuse I have suffered, both because of men and women. But two women a week are murdered by men, one in four women has been raped, the vast majority of domestic violence is carried out by men - and yet women co-exist quite peacefully with men. No wars or revolutions, just the no -violent, perfectly civil attempt (called feminism) to have female concerns listened to and taken seriously. Which is what this board is about.

Quite why you would come on here and spread your bile, whilst expecting readers to believe that women are the viscious, abusive, scamming and harassing sex is beyond me.

To the poster who asked the significance of Gariguette’s alleged harasser being 20 stone, it was presumably because no man could possibly have fancied her and Garihette was a babe magnet in his youth.

No one deserves harassment and abuse. Hating half the human race won’t make it better, though.

That American douche bag that slagged off his surrogate recently had a girl, I think? The one whom he filmed without consent.

Oh crikey, I remember that one SPOFS. He was a complete shit stain on the underpants of society, wasn't he?

I read the announcement as Thanks to everyone that had a part in making us a family. I took that as thanking the surrogate.

I don't know what did it. Maybe it was being raped by a woman when I was 18. Maybe it was the daily sexual harassment from my 20 stone female boss in my first job out of university. Maybe it was my emotionally abusive mother. Maybe it was the female friend conning me out of £25k last year. Maybe it was the female friend I helped get a promotion at work who then tried to get me fired so she could have my job. Maybe it's the general level of entitled, aggressive bitchiness that now passes for feminism in the UK. I just don't know what has made me less and less sympathetic towards women as I get older.

I do! Yer a misogynist, d00d.
11th rule of misogyny: Whatever women suffer from, it is worse when it happens to men.

thebewilderness

You've hit the nail on the head!

What a seething mass of misogyny that poster is.

I'm not sure gariguette will be back. Perhaps he realised he's overplayed his hand.

What tf is going on

When men loathe women with that much passion, what happens if their rentawomb conceives a girl?

Isn't the other wonderful thing about surrogacy in the US the fact that you can select what sex your child will be?

Unlike in the UK with its difficult rules?

I remember soon after the birth of DD1 having a visceral sense of her as an independent person, who I in no way owned, that my job for the next 20 years or so was to nurture her and keep her from harm, that no one should have agency over her. She is indeed a very strong minded and independent young woman. I just don't know how, if one commissions and pays for a baby via a surrogate that is compatible with understanding that the baby is an independent human being in its own right. How will these babies feel, growing up , to know they have been bartered over and paid for?

I've had a couple of 🍷and not expressing myself very clearly but the bottom line is surrogacy is buying babies and that can never be right. And even "gifted" babies - hell, I expect slave owners might have made an occasional "present" of a good slave to someone who needed a bit of help about the house or whatever. I just think that surrogacy seems to sidestep all accepted child protection and children's rights conventions, as a pp has noted.

And that is before I get onto protecting women. Just because some people have done it quite happily without coercion or problems doesn't make it right. The law and rules are there to protect the vulnerable from exploitation and in considering those laws we have to think about ALL women, not the small number who think they are above the law because they don't need those protections.

@Floorplan
Ask me anything.

I've been posting on MN for years. I name changed recently enough thanks to the password breach but I've been here for years.

I had three children of my own. Wanted to do something amazing for another family and decided on being a gestational surro as opposed to egg donation.

I had the first baby after 6 rounds of IVF in Athens and which included two miscarriages and an ectopic. The second baby was conceived on the first attempt - go figure.

Which part exactly are you struggling to believe?

I am a partner in a law firm. I specialise in property and my husband is in sales.

I had two surrogate babies because I had time (with the first I was off work still, we started trying to conceive her when I was taking a career break to be at home with my
Own three so I had time). I always fancied doing a sibling journey and I was back at work when pregnant with him. I stopped work the day before the birth and was back 3 weeks later as fit as a flea in body and mind.

I am sincerely proud of making my friends a family.

So not all surros are vulnerable. That was my point.

Still disbelieving me? @Floorplan

Gargiette, you obviously are very damaged by the women in your life who have abused you and treated you badly, this will influence how yiu see women. You do need professional help to deal with your anger and hatred towards women. One day your sons will grow up to be men, they might be fathers to girls, or bring female partners home, yiu cannot pass on your hatred if women to them.

Unlike in the UK with its difficult rules?

I am sure there are many men on the case, trying to bring us inline with other countries, where they will say there are no problems.

She's not the child's mother

Who is the child's mother then ilovvve?

your anger and hatred towards women.

Perhaps buying a baby and renting a woman was actually driven by this deep misogynist resentment of women. A big fuck you to women's reproductive role by using his money to control it and treat a woman as a handmaid. Playing God and master. This may have been stronger than his desire to have his own sons.

Who is the child's mother then ilovvve?

Also would like to know this

Perhaps buying a baby and renting a woman was actually driven by this deep misogynist resentment of women. A big fuck you to women's reproductive role by using his money to control it and treat a woman as a handmaid. Playing God and master. This may have been stronger than his desire to have his own sons.

Bingo

MinecraftMother
I have no problem believing that you participated in human trafficking.
It is a very common problem all over the world.

Are we humouring the newbies for a reason? Clearly this thread has been shared elsewhere as we have a bunch of newbies with some very similar, misogynistic views.

I’m not against altruistic surrogacy. If my health was better, I would have done this for my dearest and oldest friend. There are people in the US who have used surrogates with genuine intent and not seen it as “buying a baby”. I hope they don’t feel judged either. That said, I agree with practically everyone who is against commercial surrogacy. It’s unethical and even if you don’t give a shit about the woman, perhaps that child will one day.

Who is this child's mother?

Can anyone who believes this shit is acceptable answer that?

A question that appears to be too difficult and uncomfortable for people to answer, but one which will burden this child for life.

Yes, that's me - Minecraft, the human trafficker...😆

Oh god Minecraft, it is laughable some of the silliness on here.