The mother of Tom Daley's child

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Congratulations on a healthy baby! Hope the birth went safely and that you are recovering well.

I just hate surrogacy in case you can't tell

Oh dear, Pink News attacking Mumsnet over this thread.

The fashion designers responsible for D&G are against surrogacy, do PN know this?

Lol I've been screencapped.

Guess what Pink News - some of us don't agree with commercial surrogacy. Shocker!

I haven't commented on this thread earlier because I don't have strong opinions on surrogacy, but there was something a bit Handmaids Tale about the birth announcement- like the actual mother was totally irrelevant. That however is a wider issue than this one case.

Pink is now the new blue for boys. It certainly isn't a colour for a strong woman who knows her mind.

I got a recent birth announcement. Father and baby together, mum doing well.

Is this the usual practice even if the mother is unmarried (and therefore free to name the biological father on the birth certificate)? I didn't realise that.

Yes. The parental order works like an adoption order to extinguish the surrogate mother's legal status. If the man of the commissioning couple (the legislation, not my words) is named on the birth certificate, the parental order would extinguish that anyway. Only a couple can apply for a parental order, not a single person.

There was a recent case where a single man commissioned a surrogate. He was the biological father. He asked the court to make a parental order which they refused to do as it can only be made on an application by a couple. He could rely on his biological parentage, but that would not extinguish the mother's status. He could potentially apply for adoption, but would have to go through the legal process (which is much more extensive than surrogacy).

The article says Kim K got no criticism, but she was criticised.......on this thread.

It shows that we all need to comment in a mature way, because by dropping to the level of calling them wankers we now all look like bigots. This thread has some really insightful and valid points about surrogacy and the ethics around it, but the article makes us look like regressive homophobes because they were able to screen grab the few personally insulting comments.

Fuck em.

Also whereismymind they could screen grab your last comment and twist it to make it look like an admission of guilt.

I am not going to have India Willoughby use Pink News to strong arm us into becoming a naice coffee morning talking about prams.

Fuck that.

Those tossers never quoted me. I am offended. Are my comments not good enough?

What is the main difference between all the celebrities 'who haven't been criticised' (except they have).

Is it because Tom Daley is gay. Or is it because Tom Daley is British and is circumnavigating our law, and his partner is complaining about our law being too strict?

Thus comments about why our law is right and why the practice of commercial surrogacy is abhorrent and we shouldn't be sucked in by the bullshit coming out of the mouths of Tom and his husband, and even remotely consider relaxing the law (which is one of the reasons those two are rabbiting on about it, cos that's the agenda).

As I said before, it seems hiding behind the smoke screen of 'oh your so homophobic' and trying to reframe the debate as being something completely different to what it was seems to be all the rage at pink news.

It's almost as if they hate women. And worse, they hate women having an opinion.

They can piss off.

Hi Pink News! I see you. Xxx

Presumably arrangements are entirely different in USA given that surrogacy is now fairly common over there. And Dustin is American, won't the baby have American citizenship? Would they need to jump through the hoops of UK law when they come over here with the baby?
Just interested in nuances and practicalities of the law here.

Bloody weirdos.

It's nice to see all of these hateful people have a place to congregate online

It's interesting, I've seen very strong criticism of this surrogacy arrangement all over twitter, Facebook and underneath various news articles. Particularly on twitter some of the fiercest opposition I've seen has come from men. Funny how Pink News ignores all of that and focuses entirely on MN feminists having the audacity to discuss the ethics of surrogacy.

So much hate and stupidity on this thread. For all those morons carping on about the necessity for a child to be with its mum, I'd suggest you open your eyes to the world at large and see that simply being a mum does not make you a) maternal b) a good parent or c) automatically immune from totally wrecking your offspring's childhood. There are millions of wonderful mums and dads and (sadly) millions of utterly shit ones. Who knows if Tom & his husband will be great parents? Nobody. That's who. And neither do we know whether their child would have a 'better' upbringing with its birth mum. So STFU and go and get an education.

Women, know thy place.

You get to tell us to STFU you don't get to make us STFU.

Indeed Luna and I thought it was funny their 'homophobic comments were deleted' line - read that as 'couldn't fucking find anything homophobic but we didn't want to waste our efforts looking so cooked some bullshit up'.

I think the only person who got a lot deleted was that woman-hating bloke who bought his two sons from a rented woman up the thread. Hardly any comments from GC feminists deleted.

Ludicrous little non-registered propaganda penis rag.

Oneof2dads what is your view of then buying and selling of women's bodies and babies?

Yes women, shut up about pregnancy, motherhood, the exploitation of women. You know nothing about these issues! How dare you have opinions?

@Oneof2dads could you rethink your use of the word moron please? It’s pretty offensive and disablist in origin.

And before you jump on me I might suggest you read my contribution to the thread, it’s near the start.

Perhaps Oneof2dads is a reincarnation of the deleted misog upthread?

Where was the homophobia? What a MASSIVE lie