WPUK Brighton Meeting: Turning the Tide

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Tickets now available to hear Kathleen Stock, Helen Saxby, Gill Smith and Ruth Serwotka in Brighton on 16 July

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/a-womans-place-is-turning-the-tide-tickets-47592125328

Helen Saxby's blog notthenewsinbriefs.wordpress.com/

Article by Gill Smith www.transgendertrend.com/lesbian-detransitioner-must-question-primary-solution/

Kathleen Stock's blog medium.com/@kathleenstock

Article by Ruth Serwotka morningstaronline.co.uk/article/why-do-we-need-new-womens-movement

Apart from that didn't happen OvaHere - a statement from FMH said it was not comfortable holding the meeting. If a trans person raised an objection that isn't hounding and attacking its raising an objection.

I see a protest is being organised

Well, THAT'S going to change people's minds isn't it?

Wouldn't it make more sense to go along to understand what is actually being discussed and to put your own arguments forward?

No daim that isn't what you were saying at all in that post. Here it is below:

*JackyHolyoake in reference to this WPUK particular meeting, my belief is a transgender person who firmly states TWAW would be as welcome as that black DJ at the BNP Christmas party.

Many trans women and allies believe trans women are women born with male anatomy.

A meeting where every participant believes trans women to be male is therefore anti trans. There is no room for attempting to understand the other side or accepting TWAW.*

You have said that a meeting where no one believes TWAW is ipso facto anti trans. To avoid it being an anti trans meeting there would need to be people there who do believe TWAW. Is there a quota? A specific percentage? Would you like to approve the guest list?

You have already decided that tomorrow's meeting is anti trans and I therefore expect you intend to report it as such regardless of what views are actually expressed there.

Apart from that didn't happen OvaHere - a statement from FMH said it was not comfortable holding the meeting. If a trans person raised an objection that isn't hounding and attacking its raising an objection.

Since WPUK began that is what has happened so the 'you are free to use any venue' is a bit disingenuous.

@daimbars they were not comfortable holding the meeting because a) the venue was threatened then b) as a response to the threats the venue met with representatives of those threatening it and c) decided not to
Proceed based on misrepresentations of the event and fears of reprisals.

For weeks they have been perfectly comfortable holding the event. This event was booked a long time ago.

@NynaeveSedai Thank you - that makes sense.

i will be up for a stiff drink beforehand !!

I think we all will!

I'm more than happy to have a large gin beforehand if anyone's up for it?

Come early and there'll be plenty of time to get a gin in!

Daimbars, you asked NynaeveSedai what was the rationale for choosing a pro LGBT venue in the heart of pro LGBT Brighton?

Lesbians, along with gay men, were the root and source of the idiotic alphabet soup we have now. They were there in the LGB long before the Ts of today - and lesbians are having a very hard time atm. So Brighton is a really obvious choice.

Others have answered your question about the venue.

You said in another post: The whole point of the meeting seems to be painting trans ideology in a negative light and discussing the impact it has on women and girls.

I've cut part of that sentence because feminists never wanted this fight. I started off as an ally. Because everything I've ever seen that painted trans ideology in a negative light was generated by TRAs or their allies. We're reacting to what TRAs are showing us, are threatening us with, are telling us.

I've edited it slightly: Transgender Activism & Ideology: the whole point of the meeting seems to be discussing the impact it has on women and girls.

You add: This is not fair and balanced as it's only one side of the debate.

It doesn't have to be. It's not the BBC. It's a political meeting, ffs. Does Labour invite the Tories to its internal debates! Of course not.

Ditto busyboysmum, I was at the tod one too. 4 people on the panel including a trans woman and a detransitioned woman. So trans or previously trans people made up 50 % of the panel. Which is a significantly larger number than that of trans people in the general population.

Read this, lurkers. You cannot meet to discuss TWAW at the Quakers in central Brighton who are pro equality and pro LGBT unless people who believe that TWAW are there to supervise you. you are deliberately trying to provoke a reaction.

You are, of course, free to use any other venue of your choice.

This is nonsense on a stick, daimbars.

Quakers are pro-equality, as are gender-crit feminists. Quakers believe in the validity of same-sex relationships, as do gender-crit feminists. Quakers have a long history of facilitating difficult conversations on controversial subjects. It's a perfect place to hold a meeting to discuss the effects of new legislation on the rights of women.

I'm just really regretful that the have been pressured to withdraw in the face of threats from transactivists.

It's these threats, of course, which mean that WPUK are not easily "free to use any other venue". Which, again of course, you know very well. So why, daimbars, would you say such a thing as if it were true?

Venue has been changed for this evening as the original venue owners bottled it

I'm going this eve. . Will update tomorrow

I'm ill and can't go. I was in hospital the week before last with asthma and it's playing up. So disappointing. I've been so much looking forward to the Brighton meeting, and to seeing various Mumsnetters again.

I'll be with you in spirit. Which, frankly, isn't much of a consolation.

Lol thebewilderness I've already said I'm gonna go stealth. I could be any one of you.

It's sold out!

If daim manages to remain stealth I will be genuinely surprised. If someone is sitting there looking like there's steam coming out of their ears and they have to run out in the middle to go scream in the corridor I guess we can assume daim has been spotted!

But yeah, there's security, right? I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was both an attempt at shutting it down at the venue and a good bit of physical intimidation. Take care of each other, sisters, I wish I could be there with you.

Archery, please make sure my ticket gets given to someone else. I'm so disappointed not to be going.

@daimbars

Have you compared women with concerns about TA to nazis? Really? Have transwomen ever been hunge from trees by gender critical feminists? Have we enslaved them, abused them, done fucking anythign but not agree with them?

Also I personally really hope there aren't any activist there protesting, so I'm not sure what you're on about. The previous protests are what's keeping a lot of women from attending. You know the violence and shouting and physically blocking women from even entering the venue to discuss things that affect them. You've seen the videos right?

I'm glad you're going. Make sure though, that you do actually come incognito. Don't make it clear that you're on "their" side. I want you to see how you're treated and if it makes you comfortable.

Only a trans activist would frame women's concerns at the loss of our rights as 'anti trans'.
Are we permitted to call posts framing GC women as Nazis 'anti women'?

I'm up for meeting beforehand, offer extended to Daimbar too. I can't get there too early because my phone is terrible and I don't get mobile data so wouldn't get the email letting us know of venue.

Also have to wait for DH to get home to take over kid duty.

If it's bigoted to say the word woman only includes females it's surely bigoted to say the word female includes anyone who identifies as such.*

** because I don't identify with any gender. So now, the word I've always had has been taken away from me and I have no way of discussing all the shit I deal with as a woman as I can't discuss biology in feminism.